New cars

[Roscoe]

OK, let me take another swing at this thing, lol, maybe I can hit the ball this time.

If someone gave me a flashy sports car I'd look for someone to sell it to.  Now if someone gave me a BMW, a Cadillac or something similar that is built for comfort on the long drive...

Psalm_97, I think we are on the same page. Your example exemplifies the point I am trying to make. My heart on the sports car issue is not like, "Oh, you drive a sports car? Well, we can not fellowship then!", far from it. All I am saying is that sitting behind the wheel of a fine looking sports car has a feeling, attitude, spirit, however you define it, attached to it; that is why people buy them. In my opinion that feeling, attitude, spirit, however you define it, is of no value; it is vain. That is all I am saying (I think, at this point I am getting a little confused and considering adopting the view that "costly" really is relative to the income of the buyer... eek!), and I would never advocate for a hard rule against sports cars.

CWk, glad you wouldn't "disfellowship" me.   Sitting behind the wheel of the sportscars can indeed magnify a vain spirit, just as Isaac's BWW or Caddy could. IMHO, it is just that - "magnify" -a spirit that one already has problems with....as MY says,  one can be humble and meek and drive fun cars- " YET, if they come up humble, meek, compassionate, the car is just a car.  The car is nothing!"

Oh, and let me clarify, please- MY, I did not mean to hold the amish up as an example of modesty, I just know that most people are aware of their "rule" if you will, of only having drab colored vehicles.

I honestly feel that some tend to "strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel" when it comes to some of the stances they take, be it cars or anything else.... Definately not trying to say anyone here is guilty of this, just putting my thoughts out.

[The Cold Water Kid]

That is cool five-oh, we can not expect to all be in agreement on everything all the time; we are imperfect people with imperfect knowledge trying to make it in an imperfect world! I will say this though, I appreciate the intellectual honesty you display in your posts, it is refreshing and I respect you for it!

[YooperYankDude]

I honestly feel that some tend to "strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel" when it comes to some of the stances they take, be it cars or anything else.... Definately not trying to say anyone here is guilty of this, just putting my thoughts out.

Agreed!

Although it would quite interesting watching someone try to swallow a Camel...  whole or in large section... and I bet they taste like Goat!  Ewwww....   

[The Cold Water Kid]

I had another thought about this when I was coming home from church, just thought I would throw it out there for you guys just in case...

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

I can't really say that a sports car would gratify the lust of the flesh, but it certainly falls squarely in the realm of the other two: lust of the eyes & pride of life.... I'm just saying 

[Roscoe]

I had another thought about this when I was coming home from church, just thought I would throw it out there for you guys just in case...

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

I can't really say that a sports car would gratify the lust of the flesh, but it certainly falls squarely in the realm of the other two: lust of the eyes & pride of life.... I'm just saying 

Okay- I'm sorry, but just because a vehicle looks good and is attractive does not mean that it creates lust of the eyes. That's ridiculous! If looking at a sports car causes you to lust, then YOU have the issue, it's not the car. 

[The Cold Water Kid]

If looking at a sports car causes you to lust, then YOU have the issue, it's not the car. 

Well sure, that is the point! But people who buy sports car do lust for them (not all lust is sexual, though people do refer to sports cars as "sexy", no?), that is why they buy them!  The sports car genre is inseparably intertwined with "youthful lusts"; youthful lust is the grease that keeps the industry moving! Think about it; how often do you see people in their 60s buying sports cars? And on the rare occasions that you do see it, is it wise people in their 60s or is it foolish ones? How many church elders do you see in sports cars? Lets try this five-oh... sell me a sports car. Sell me a sports car without appealing to (1) the pride of life, or (2) the lust of the eyes. Sell me on the merits of them when compared to other, less flashy vehicles.... I challenge you

[Lynx]

Uh... you'll lose that one cold water kid.  Some people just like to drive them, not because of how they look, but because of how they handle.  The difference between a sports car (a good one anyway) and a station wagon is the difference between a rapier and a bludgeon. 

[The Cold Water Kid]

Oh sure, you can take a 20 mile per hour curve at 50, but we do not drive that way. We obey the law of the land. A sports car is the safest way to drive recklessly, but apostolic people do not drive recklessly.

[Lynx]

Velocity is not a factor.  One can enjoy a car that handles well without driving fast.

You got something against sports cars?  Your rebuttals are getting a bit um... pointed.

[The Cold Water Kid]

Your rebuttals are getting a bit um... pointed.

Nah, I am just getting bored with this topic... nothing against you guys... I have just lost my enthusiasm for debate. If anything I have said makes sense, it might take months or even years for you guys to realize it. And if what I have said does not make sense then it isn't worth anything anyway, so what is the point, right?

[Roscoe]

Uh... you'll lose that one cold water kid.  Some people just like to drive them, not because of how they look, but because of how they handle.  The difference between a sports car (a good one anyway) and a station wagon is the difference between a rapier and a bludgeon.

Thanks, Isaac, you've said precisley what I've been trying to say. And CWK, I can tell you that in the Corvette club in the area, the MAJORTIY of the owners were in their 50's to 70's.  And most of the owners I do not think you could call foolish- the majority of them were highly successful, owned their own business and were Doctors, lawyers and the like. Not necessarily what one would think of as "foolish".

And I will tell you that I know of ministers that like sportscars and drive them, as well as ride motorcycles, and Jeeps, and everything else.
  As far as selling you on the merits- I don't think I'm going to waste my time. You've obviously made your mind up that sportscars are evil- and if they are for you, then by all means avoid them. Don't look at them. Don't drive them. Don't buy them. That's what I would consider a personal conviction to you, and I would respect you for obeying it. But don't try to put your interpetation of what's wrong and right out as the final word.

It seems to me, after reading some of your posts, the God you serve is quite the cold task master and doesn't allow his people to do anything. By your interpetations, we should all drive bland boring cars that aren't in any way appealing to anyone and shouldn't wear any thing bright colored. I'm sorry, I just don't think that that is what God intends..

My God is a "Can do" God, not a "Can't do" God.


I mean no offense to anyone.... God Bless, this is the last post I intend to make on this subject. I

[mini]

We had a kid on here once that had a Lamborgini....

[Melody]

We've all shared lots of examples.  But the Word is the final answer.  Thank you Jesus.

Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 

Rom 14:23   And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

[The Cold Water Kid]

OK, breathe everyone... breathe... lol. Y'all know stirring the pot always releases a little steam!

[YooperYankDude]

Or it causes a bunch of unneeded contention... And some really seem to enjoy doing that... Almost like they thrive off of it... 

[The Cold Water Kid]

OK, I have got this now. I understand it. I am a little "slow out of the gate" when trying to think through things, and sometimes the obvious escapes me, so y'all bear with me. When this conversation began, I said I was skeptical about the circumstances surrounding the purchase of a sports car, and that was immediately interpreted as, "Oh, you are saying a sports car is sin! yada yada yada!" The current was strong and I guess I moved along with it for a while... until today. We know anything can become an idol and therefore sin (stating the obvious here) but then other things are not so much sins as they are immature. Granted, no one here drives a sports car because they are immature, but for some people it (along with other indicators) is a sign of immaturity; it can be a symptom of a deeper condition.

And we have all seen it in the cliche of the young couple with a baby living in a trailer house, trying to keep both ends of the month together, and young husband refuses to cut his mullet (a condition of the job promotion he has been offered) or trade in the old camaro for something Jennie can get the baby in and out of easily (preferably something with airbags). Immature. But immature is not necessarily sin... and this conversation has opened my eyes to that distinction, so, for me, it has been a blessing.

Some ugly, hurtful things have been stated or implied, and I did not enjoy those, but by the grace of God I can choose not to be easily provoked. And you guys have helped me get to the bottom of an issue that has been rolling around in the back of my mind for some time. So thanks for being a sounding board and helping me work through it! Again, I am not saying anyone here is immature, this is all a matter of generalities not specifics. And you guys might not agree with what I am saying, and that is OK, but I am satisfied with it... this is the answer I was looking for; all the pieces fit now (if that makes sense).