Open for debate

[SippinTea]

I heard someone recently say:

"Guys will always lust after what they don't respect, and mock what they would give anything to have."

Agree? Disagree?

[Ashlee]

I agree with the first part.  I once had a boyfriend who told me that if he ever had "those" feelings about me, then that meant that he didn't respect me. 

As for the second part, I really don't agree with that.  Well, I guess some guys would, but I kinda hope that if someone likes me, they will treat me well and then I'll notice.

[NessasMama]

Hmmmmmmm.....I don't have any comments right now. I'm kind of anxious to hear what others have to say on this.

I guess I don't understand what "mock what they would give anything to have."

[Ashlee]

I think it goes along with the old familiar saying.  If a guy picks on a girl, torturing and picking on her, then he proably likes her.

[MelodyB]

[apsurf]

sometimes a guy will respect a girl quite a bit.....but if it is someone they can't have, then there is always the possiblity they will lust to possess her at all costs.

[sunlight]

what she said...

[World Traveler]

I have heard it said on more than one occasion, when talking about marital relationships, that nearly every relationship that ended up in love started with lust at some level.

There was something about the woman that attracted her to the man before he had a chance to know "who" she was. Most usually that is looks.

Remember, men are more physically driven than women.

And, would you really be happy in marrying someone who is only attracted to you emotionally and mentally, and has no interest in you physically?

[Ashlee]

And, would you really be happy in marrying someone who is only attracted to you emotionally and mentally, and has no interest in you physically?

Well now that wouldn't be any fun.  oops 

[Babs]

And, would you really be happy in marrying someone who is only attracted to you emotionally and mentally, and has no interest in you physically?

Well now that wouldn't be any fun.  oops 

[apsurf]

And, would you really be happy in marrying someone who is only attracted to you emotionally and mentally, and has no interest in you physically?

Well now that wouldn't be any fun.  oops 

[Q-tip]

I heard someone recently say:

"Guys will always lust after what they don't respect, and mock what they would give anything to have."

Agree? Disagree?

In reference to relationships:

I would say that this would hold true for guys who place no value in having a goal oriented relationship with a  woman.  The ones who live for the moment without care for future consequences.  It is not that they lust for things they do not respect, but that they are drawn to ( or lust after ) the things that do not require personal dedication.  They persue what appears to be "easy".

They mock what they would give anything to have because they are not motivated to do what it takes to actually attain what they might want.  It is out o f a sense of self defeat that thy mock such things, an attempt (IMHO) to convince themselves that such things aren't really that desirable. 



On the other hand there are guys who are goal oriented and do place value on having a meaningful relationship with a good woman.    These are the ones who are not drawn to qualities that they do not respect.   They are however, completely entranced by a lady who may adhere to the same qualities that he has established as honorable or "respectable" criteria.  He sees what he respects and dedicates  himself to the persuit of what he most desires.

He will not mock the things he would give anything for because these things are of a tremendous value to him.  Mocking them would be an insult to his own moral fiber.








     

[newkris]

q-tip, that is a fabulous answer.  very well spoken.

[Scott]

I heard someone recently say:

"Guys will always lust after what they don't respect, and mock what they would give anything to have."

Agree? Disagree?

I disagree with the first part and agree with the second.

Lust is temptation that becomes an obsession. It is normal for a guy or a gal to be sexually tempted, that is not a sin. However when you take that temptation and dwell on it,   constantly, think on it and then seek ways to act on it, THAT becomes lust. 

You can lust after a co worker, a member of your church, your sisters husband, your cousins wife, your brothers wife, your neighbor or even some movie or media star. Respect really doesn't have anything to do with it.

HOWEVER:  there are men who will commit sexual immorality with females that they do no like, do not love and may never like or love, simply because of the act.

[Tsalagi]

I dunno, doesn't really ring for me.  I think the person may have been referring to physical relationships in the first, and marriage in the second.  In which case, I do agree that there are some PEOPLE who do this, and in my experience, it doesn't matter if the person is male or female - that type of behavior is usually practiced by a certain type of personality, or just indicative of mental immaturity.

[Sis]

I have heard it said on more than one occasion, when talking about marital relationships, that nearly every relationship that ended up in love started with lust at some level.

There was something about the woman that attracted her to the man before he had a chance to know "who" she was. Most usually that is looks.

Remember, men are more physically driven than women.

And, would you really be happy in marrying someone who is only attracted to you emotionally and mentally, and has no interest in you physically?

If you're married, it's not lust.

If you're talking physical attraction it's not lust.


Thomas Aquinas said of Lust:

...wherever there occurs a special kind of deformity whereby the venereal act is rendered unbecoming, there is a determinate species of lust.

This may occur in two ways: First, through being contrary to right reason, and this is common to all lustful vices; secondly, because, in addition, it is contrary to the natural order of the venereal act as becoming to the human race: and this is called "the unnatural vice."

This may happen in several ways. First, by procuring pollution, without any copulation, for the sake of venereal pleasure: this pertains to the sin of "uncleanness" which some call "effeminacy." Secondly, by copulation with a thing of undue species, and this is called "bestiality." Thirdly, by copulation with an undue sex, male with male, or female with female, as the Apostle states (Rm. 1:27): and this is called the "vice of sodomy." Fourthly, by not observing the natural manner of copulation, either as to undue means, or as to other monstrous and bestial manners

[B]

I detest blanket statements.

B

[World Traveler]

From Sis's post:

Thomas Aquinas said of Lust:

...wherever there occurs a special kind of deformity whereby the venereal act is rendered unbecoming, there is a determinate species of lust

Wow! And people say the King James Version is hard to understand. KJV is fun with phonics compared to that!!!!

[SippinTea]

I detest blanket statements.

B

So do I. That's why I started this feud. *grin*

[B]

lol Nice.

B

[SippinTea]

Hey, I figured I hadn't started a riot in a while.... and I was overdue for one.

[Sis]

B! Is that your new saying? You've been saying nothing but "Nice" lately! Learn a new word, K?   

[Amelia Bedelia]

"Guys will always lust after what they don't respect, and mock what they would give anything to have."

Agree? Disagree?

There was a time when I would have totally disagreed... but now I think I'd agree... I don't know about using the term "mock" but definitely something along those lines

guess I've met one too many that said he didn't like one type... and then thats exactly the type he's with now instead of me - once they got tired of disrespecting me    lol

relationships - what fun

*HUGS* the respectful nice guys

[TRAV]

I heard someone recently say:

"Guys will always lust after what they don't respect, and mock what they would give anything to have."

Agree? Disagree?

Sounds like it was said by a pseudo-intellectual.

I think men can lust after a ton of stuff whether they respect it or not. I definitely think you can have strong desire for someone you respect. Actually, the above statement kind of sounds like it was said by a   woman or a guy that is married to one. Sometimes women who make statements like the one above have been hurt and are looking to "put guys in their place" and categorize them. 


We would all be in the right place if we lived our lives with the following principle in mind which simply says . . .


LOVE GIVES

LUST TAKES

[SippinTea]

Actually, the above statement kind of sounds like it was said by a   woman or a guy that is married to one. Sometimes women who make statements like the one above have been hurt and are looking to "put guys in their place" and categorize them. 

Funny you brought that up. It was a young man (early 20s?) who isn't married, so far as I know.

And I would have made the same guess as to the speaker as you did, Trav. *smile*