[rant]
I totally understand that some of the ways we as individuals perceive things may not be the way things really are.
So my view of my current situation could be totally wrong.
But I'm mad.
I have for the first 25 years of my life read only the KJV of the bible. I tried not to dabble in the dark arts of other versions, and was spoon fed how evil any version of the bible was that didn't have KJV stamped on it.
As I study more now, I realize the folly of that KJV ONLY view. I carry a KJV, I read the KJV, I preach out of the KJV, but I understand that I must know more about the word than just through this one version.
Anyone who has been around me for any length of time can attest to my general stupidity. As a result, when I study out a verse I do a few things.
1.I read the verse.
2.I read the passage the verse is located in, to understand what the writer was talking about.
3.I mull it over in my 14 connecting brain cells, and take it to prayer.
4.Then I form a opinion about what I think its saying.
5.I read several versions of the bible and passage so I can understand if the other language the versions use further my understanding of the passage.
6.I study out what writers say in commentaries about the verse and passage.
7.Then finally, I come to a conclusion about the verse, and sometimes a message.
I do this so I can become well rounded in the verse as a whole. No use getting up and proving that Judas hung himself and we should go and do likewise when thats NOT what it says.
For the past 8 months, I have read the English Standard Version (ESV) of the bible. I like it, I have heard good things about it, and have been faithful to the reading of it daily. Many passages I have read all my life suddenly take on a greater meaning because I am reading them outside my comfort zone (KJV).
And for those of you linked to me on Facebook, knows that in the midst of my random babblings of weirdness on there, I have been posting regularly for the past few weeks a verse or verses that strikes my interest.
Todays verses?
Proverbs 3:5-8 "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths. Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord, and turn away from evil. It will be healing to your flesh and refreshment to your bones." (ESV)
Here is the KJV:
Proverbs 3:5-8 (King James Version)
5Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
8It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.
In the KJV, other than a few minor more modern language changes (thine to your), it has only a few changes that to me clarifies the meaning.
1.5) lean not unto (KJV) to do not lean on (ESV)
2.6) he shall direct thy paths (KJV) to he will make straight your paths (ESV)
3.7) depart (KJV) turn away (ESV)
4.8 ) navel, marrow (KJV) to flesh, refreshment (ESV)
Maybe I am stupid, but to me it helps me understand better what the KJV is saying when I read the ESV.
So today, I put my verse up, and get several thank you's and likes from people who do not go to church, or go to a different denomination, and suddenly get a reply from a pentecostal:
"What happened to the KING JAMES VERSION?"
WHAT? We, who should be in love with the word, and understand it better than anyone else, have the nerve to ask that? And its not just one person. If I was a betting man, I would bet that someone who reads this will only look at the words that were changed between the ESV and KJV and say because they changed words in the ESV, its a bad version.
I have had several people get rather angry (all fellow church people, none that attend my local church) when they found out I was reading the ESV.
WHY?!?!
I have been granted the opportunity to speak several times. In the past 8 months, I have been able to speak directly from the word, because I was feeding myself daily. I have encouraged kids and adults to read their bible. I have constanly tried to encourage people to pick up the bible and read. And yet, we get it in our minds that if that bible doesn't have KJV stamped on the spine, throw it out.
If you are simple like me and read the NIV, ESV, etc., keep reading! If you are reading the KJV, keep reading! But don't be so buried in tradition of ONLY KJV that you can't see the forest for the trees. Don't get upset because I am reading the word of God.
There is a BBQ place here in town that has on their sign out front: Best BBQ in town. No brag, just fact. I have preached some of the most powerful messages I have ever preached, prayed some of the most powerful prayers I have ever prayed, and it is all because my understanding has been broadened. And that ain't no brag. Its just fact.
Granted, there are some versions that I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for. Research out what you read out of daily. I did.
But read, and don't get mad at me for sharing the word.
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WOOT!!!! :hyper: :clap: :hyper: :clap: Well said, Mini!!
That is MAJOR pet peeve of mine. Yes, I was raised on the KJV... yes, I still love the poetry of it... BUT...
If I, who was raised on KJV don't understand a lot of what I'm reading in there, then how in the world are my un-churched, English-as-a-second-language friends supposed to understand it?!? So not only are they supposed to be learning English, they're supposed to learn archaic English as well. *insert major eye roll here*
Is the point to get the Message across? or to preserve the king's English?
I, for one, would rather understand what I'm reading - even if it isn't perhaps the most accurate translation - than feel totally in the dark, and completely stupid, because I don't get what the passage is saying.
And it's all very well for people to say "Pray for understanding" but... :tearhair: ... we live on earth, not heaven, and I'm kinda limited here with one very small, feeble brain.
I'm so sick of dealing with people who can't see past the end of their nose, and cling to the KJV with a death grip... and pull completely ludicrous conclusions from the text because they don't understand what it's saying.
Don't get me wrong, I love the KJV, but my friends who are stuck there seem to be missing something vital.
GO, MINI!! I like this rant. :D
:beret:
As I said I like the KJV best because that's what I've been reading since I got my first Bible at 6-years-old. But at last count, we have 27 Bibles around here in many different versions. When we were first in church, we got a parallel Bible with four translations in it. They were even across, so you could check out a passge or a phrase you didn't understand.
Funny story, I took a Bible as Literature class in college, and they used another version. I had to keep checking it with the King James version to see what they were talking about. LOL
I had never heard that other versions were evil and not to be read. Ever! That's just stupid. I was told to watch and compare some transalations to make sure they weren't too far away from what was really meant. Like some versions cut out the end of Mark 16. But I guess some people don't think so.
I went back to look Mini, I didn't say Why not the KJV, I said what's wrong with the KJV because Ruby "appeared" to not like it. But after what Sarah said, I see what she meant.
I. Am. Confused. Very, very confused.
If my post somehow added to the general confusion, I'll try to clear it up...
There are times I love/like the KJV.
There are times I do not love/like the KJV.
It all depends on where/how/why it's being used.
I love the KJV for the poetry, for the 'stability' factor present when I read it. It reminds me of how God's Word endures.
I do not like KJV when it's being used in settings with new believers, or with people who are already struggling with English.
For the most part, I don't like it in youth classes or children's classes. But like I said... it depends on the why and how of it's being used.
My opinion only. One size doesn't fit all when it comes to Bible translations.
:beret:
On a side note, first a rant then a general state of chaos! Sweeet! Im multi-talented!
:spitlaugh: I like having multi-talented friends. *grin*
:beret:
Quote from: minnesota68 on June 05, 2009, 11:53:43 PM
On a side note, first a rant then a general state of chaos! Sweeet! Im multi-talented!
You certainly are. Confusion cleared up? Now on to bigger and better things. Mini, have you waxed lately? :freaky2:
Good rant.
:thumbsup2:
Quote from: Sis on June 06, 2009, 12:00:47 AM
Quote from: minnesota68 on June 05, 2009, 11:53:43 PM
On a side note, first a rant then a general state of chaos! Sweeet! Im multi-talented!
You certainly are. Confusion cleared up? Now on to bigger and better things. Mini, have you waxed lately? :freaky2:
No answer? Ok, Sis gets Becca to go wax mini's legs again! :rofl:
Oh my Goodness, what an Awesome Post and great Example Mini!!! I totally Agree with you!!!!
When reading that scripture in the ESV version I read it, and was like.. "thats a good scripture"
and when I read it in KJV, I 'felt it' I was like "Wow.. that is so Moving."
:lurk:
I aint waxing his legs...
:tantrum:
Quote from: BeccaBoo on June 06, 2009, 05:56:23 AM
I aint waxing his legs...
:tantrum:
You just hold him down! We'll get er done.
:o
Don't you mean :yikes:
Yea...
Thats the one...
:yikes:
Back to the topic! :nono:
Any way Bro. . . I have come to love the ''Message bible'' and have enjoyed the NIV for years.
When teaching bible studies or preaching / teaching in non pentecostal circles I use the NIV most of the time. When I preach / teach I will use multiple versions; however one dear minister friend of mine told me that when I am preaching for him, I cannot use anything other than the KJV or the NKJV.
*shrug*
Luke 24
NIV
Luke 24
45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
46 He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
47 and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 You are witnesses of these things.
49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high."
the Message
45 He went on to open their understanding of the Word of God, showing them how to read their Bibles this way.
46 He said, "You can see now how it is written that the Messiah suffers, rises from the dead on the third day,
47 and then a total life-change through the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed in his name to all nations - starting from here, from Jerusalem!
48 You're the first to hear and see it. You're the witnesses.
49 What comes next is very important: I am sending what my Father promised to you, so stay here in the city until he arrives, until you're equipped with power from on high
KJV
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high
Now lets go to Acts 2
KJV
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
NIV
37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?"
38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off--for all whom the Lord our God will call."
the Message
37 Cut to the quick, those who were there listening asked Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers! Brothers! So now what do we do?"
38 Peter said, "Change your life. Turn to God and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ, so your sins are forgiven. Receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 The promise is targeted to you and your children, but also to all who are far away - whomever, in fact, our Master God invites
You know, Scott... Sometime in the last year or so, I started picking up The Message more often. And I'm really enjoying it. I know it's a paraphrase, not a translation, so it's not perhaps as desirable for serious, in-depth study... but for just sitting down to read for devotional time and whatnot, it's been great. And it's really made me stop and think on numerous occasions because of its blunt, conversational tone.
:beret:
Quote from: SippinTea on June 06, 2009, 04:01:39 PM
You know, Scott... Sometime in the last year or so, I started picking up The Message more often. And I'm really enjoying it. I know it's a paraphrase, not a translation, so it's not perhaps as desirable for serious, in-depth study... but for just sitting down to read for devotional time and whatnot, it's been great. And it's really made me stop and think on numerous occasions because of its blunt, conversational tone.
:beret:
I spent some time with Brother Andy Smith and he loves to preach from it - so I started using it more and more over the last 3 years or so. It paraphrases or simply updates the english and can be fun to read. It if makes it fun to read the bible, why do people flip out?
*shrug*
1 Sam 17 (Message)
4 A giant nearly ten feet tall stepped out from the Philistine line into the open, Goliath from Gath.
5 He had a bronze helmet on his head and was dressed in armor - 126 pounds of it!
6 He wore bronze shin guards and carried a bronze sword.
7 His spear was like a fence rail - the spear tip alone weighed over fifteen pounds. His shield bearer walked ahead of him.
8 Goliath stood there and called out to the Israelite troops, "Why bother using your whole army? Am I not Philistine enough for you? And you're all committed to Saul, aren't you? So pick your best fighter and pit him against me.
9 If he gets the upper hand and kills me, the Philistines will all become your slaves. But if I get the upper hand and kill him, you'll all become our slaves and serve us.
10 I challenge the troops of Israel this day. Give me a man. Let us fight it out together!
Now I love this part
11 When Saul and his troops heard the Philistine's challenge, they were terrified and lost all hope.
12 Enter David. He was the son of Jesse the Ephrathite from Bethlehem in Judah. Jesse, the father of eight sons, was himself too old to join Saul's army
WOW this story is getting fun
26 David, who was talking to the men standing around him, asked, "What's in it for the man who kills that Philistine and gets rid of this ugly blot on Israel's honor? Who does he think he is, anyway, this uncircumcised Philistine, taunting the armies of God-Alive?"
27 They told him what everyone was saying about what the king would do for the man who killed the Philistine.
28 Eliab, his older brother, heard David fraternizing with the men and lost his temper: "What are you doing here! Why aren't you minding your own business, tending that scrawny flock of sheep? I know what you're up to. You've come down here to see the sights, hoping for a ringside seat at a bloody battle!"
29 "What is it with you?" replied David. "All I did was ask a question."
30 Ignoring his brother, he turned to someone else, asked the same question, and got the same answer as before.
The story hasn't changed, the words make it a bit more exciting....
33 Saul answered David, "You can't go and fight this Philistine. You're too young and inexperienced - and he's been at this fighting business since before you were born."
34 David said, "I've been a shepherd, tending sheep for my father. Whenever a lion or bear came and took a lamb from the flock, 35 I'd go after it, knock it down, and rescue the lamb. If it turned on me, I'd grab it by the throat, wring its neck, and kill it.
36 Lion or bear, it made no difference - I killed it. And I'll do the same to this Philistine pig who is taunting the troops of God-Alive.
37 God, who delivered me from the teeth of the lion and the claws of the bear, will deliver me from this Philistine." Saul said, "Go. And God help you!"
38 Then Saul outfitted David as a soldier in armor. He put his bronze helmet on his head and belted his sword on him over the armor.
39 David tried to walk but he could hardly budge. David told Saul, "I can't even move with all this stuff on me. I'm not used to this." And he took it all off.
41 As the Philistine paced back and forth, his shield bearer in front of him, he noticed David.
42 He took one look down on him and sneered - a mere youngster, apple-cheeked and peach-fuzzed.
43 The Philistine ridiculed David. "Am I a dog that you come after me with a stick?" And he cursed him by his gods.
44 "Come on," said the Philistine.
"I'll make roadkill of you for the buzzards. I'll turn you into a tasty morsel for the field mice."Man I am starting to hate this Goliath guy...................
45 David answered, "You come at me with sword and spear and battle-ax. I come at you in the name of God-of-the-Angel-Armies, the God of Israel's troops, whom you curse and mock.
46 This very day God is handing you over to me.
I'm about to kill you, cut off your head, and serve up your body and the bodies of your Philistine buddies to the crows and coyotes. The whole earth will know that there's an extraordinary God in Israel.
47 And everyone gathered here will learn that God doesn't save by means of sword or spear. The battle belongs to God - he's handing you to us on a platter!"
48 That roused the Philistine, and he started toward David. David took off from the front line, running toward the Philistine.
49 David reached into his pocket for a stone, slung it, and hit the Philistine hard in the forehead, embedding the stone deeply. The Philistine crashed, facedown in the dirt.
50 That's how David beat the Philistine - with a sling and a stone. He hit him and killed him. No sword for David!
51 Then David ran up to the Philistine and stood over him, pulled the giant's sword from its sheath, and finished the job by cutting off his head. When the Philistines saw that their great champion was dead, they scattered, running for their lives
nothing in the story was changed by not using the KJV
Quotethe Message
45 He went on to open their understanding of the Word of God, showing them how to read their Bibles this way.
They didn't have Bibles back then.
QuoteNIV
37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?"
the Message
37 Cut to the quick, those who were there listening asked Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers! Brothers! So now what do we do?"
You think People understand "cut to the quick" better than "Cut to the heart?" Do they know where the quick is? :tantrum:
i just cant even understand the other translations, the way I understand KJV, Ive always figured the Spirit helps you understand more when you read the word.. - so, I dont know if its that or if Im just Used to KJV - I know, I dont have to change a scripture in the bible to fit a modern way.
Oh.. btw.. I heard some man say once "Noah, went out to the land with the KJV Bible preaching to all the people when the flood was coming!" lol
Was he serious or kidding?
I know what you mean, Eric. Like I said, I always have to compare the translations to the KJV to see if I can understand it better. I'm just used to the language in the KJV for the most part, and sometimes it IS easier than the translations. Sometimes it's just written plainer in KJV. But I still think it's stupid for anyone to say KJV or nothing. *Shakes head*
well.. I always was raised to believe KJV or nothing.. but, before I had 'nothing' I would probably read another translation. *grin*
and.. Yes he was serious :spitlaugh:
I read the kjv and kjv only. as shoud everyone else. and if you sway from it you're in danger of hellfire.
just kidding.
I like other versions as long as they translate and not change the Word.
If I get another Bible, I intend to get a NASB.
Bro. t- you should never post right after me. 2 drinks should never post together. lol....
NASB.... I have heard of it, but how does it compare/'contrast' with KJV?
NASB is a word-for-word translation, not a thought-for-thought translation.
Some people feel it's more accurate than KJV, but it can be somewhat choppy reading due to the way it was translated. I kinda like being able to see the more precise translation for certain words when I'm studying though. *shrug*
:beret:
Quote from: EricShane on June 06, 2009, 06:39:24 PM
well.. I always was raised to believe KJV or nothing.. but, before I had 'nothing' I would probably read another translation. *grin*
and.. Yes he was serious :spitlaugh:
He.. sounds "special" .. I hope this one isnt still out preaching somewhere.
Quote from: He-Man on June 07, 2009, 04:40:00 PM
Quote from: EricShane on June 06, 2009, 06:39:24 PM
well.. I always was raised to believe KJV or nothing.. but, before I had 'nothing' I would probably read another translation. *grin*
and.. Yes he was serious :spitlaugh:
He.. sounds "special" .. I hope this one isnt still out preaching somewhere.
lol no, dead by now Im sure..
I feel there is a danger in translating ideas, or thoughts. I can translate my sister's words and them come out totally opposite of what she actually meant, and me end up ordering her a chicken finger basket rather than a chicken finger platter.
I am open to other Bible versions than KJV but we gotta be careful that we use versions that translate words and not change ideas.
Quote from: SippinTea on June 07, 2009, 03:58:13 PM
NASB is a word-for-word translation, not a thought-for-thought translation.
Some people feel it's more accurate than KJV, but it can be somewhat choppy reading due to the way it was translated. I kinda like being able to see the more precise translation for certain words when I'm studying though. *shrug*
:beret:
I think the ESV is a word for word translation too.
Quote from: Gingerale on June 07, 2009, 06:01:10 PM
I feel there is a danger in translating ideas, or thoughts. I can translate my sister's words and them come out totally opposite of what she actually meant, and me end up ordering her a chicken finger basket rather than a chicken finger platter.
I am open to other Bible versions than KJV but we gotta be careful that we use versions that translate words and not change ideas.
right..
I honestly am Satisfied with the KJV
*grin*
I was intently satisfied with the KJV as well, until I started reading Kings and Chronicles in the NIV. lol Talk about WOW factor! I was like... :o on more than one occasion. And sometimes, I was just like... WAIT! Is that really in the Bible?!?! And I'd go back to the KJV and realize that I would have needed 4 Bible dictionaries and a concordance to realize the meaning of the passage. I wouldn't change my preference to the NIV, but that was certainly an eye-opening experience to be sure. I'm currently reading a one-year chronological study Bible, and when I finish it, I think I'll read the ESV next year.
I still quote from the KJV, but now I don't feel that I'm "adding to or taking away" from the BIBLE if I quote another version, as long as it still says the same thing that God was intending for it to say.
your doomed Elona..
its so sad..
:sadbounce:
LOL jk
Yup. So sad, huh?
Then I'm _really_ out there, 'cause I read KJV, NKJV, Amplified, NASB, The Message, NIV, NLT, etc.
*shrug* Oh well. I'm bad. So shoot me.
:P at Eric
:beret:
Quote from: SippinTea on June 08, 2009, 09:57:53 PM
Then I'm _really_ out there, 'cause I read KJV, NKJV, Amplified, NASB, The Message, NIV, NLT, etc.
*shrug* Oh well. I'm bad. So shoot me.
:P at Eric
:beret:
Whew. I'm not quite as reprobate as Ruby.
I haven't dug into the message or the NLT
yet.
Well I used to only want to read the KJV and while I still like to use the KJV when looking up somthing, out of habit I guess. I really enjoy reading the NASB or NKJV. I am not as big a fan of the NIV.
One thing that bothers me, and maybe its just me is some translations seem to leave out whole sentances.
Check out Acts 10:6 in different translations
My main translation now does tend to be the NKJV
Quote from: RainbowJingles on June 08, 2009, 11:19:15 PM
Whew. I'm not quite as reprobate as Ruby.
I haven't dug into the message or the NLT yet.
*grin*
I really love my NLT. It makes a whole lot of sense to this sometimes muddy, befuddled, bewildered brain of mine.
Quote from: Tricia Lea on June 08, 2009, 11:44:18 PM
Check out Acts 10:6 in different translations
Okay. Here goes...
NIV - He is staying with Simon the tanner, whose house is by the sea.
NASB - he is staying with a tanner named Simon, whose house is by the sea.
AMP - He is lodging with Simon a tanner, whose house is by the seaside.
NLT - He is staying with Simon, a tanner who lives near the seashore.
CEV - He is visiting with Simon the leather maker, who lives in a house near the sea.
NCV - He is staying with a man, also named Simon, who is a tanner and has a house beside the sea
HCSB - He is lodging with Simon, a tanner, whose house is by the sea
ESV - He is lodging with one Simon, a tanner, whose house is by the sea
Looks pretty much the same to me. Lodging/staying... Seashore/seaside.*shrug*
:beret:
ya but heres the KJV
6He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do
anyways may not be much but just somthing i noticed
:-?
Dont mean I dont love the other translations just makes me wonder, if that make sense
Ah, but if you look in the footnotes for that verse, Tricia, it says that particular phrase was not included in some of the early manuscripts. That's why so many translations leave it out, is because it's 'iffy' whether or not it was actually part of that passage.
And really, it doesn't change the meaning when you take the whole passage in context. At least, not in my opinion. :)
:beret:
I went back to the greek to see what it said...Acts 10:6
6
He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner,
3778 3579 3844 5100 4613 1038 (Strongs Number)
Hoútos xenízetai pará tini Símooni burseí
whose is house by the sea side: he
3739 1510 3614 3844 9999 2281 <9999 > (Strongs Number)
hoó estin oikía pará thálassan
shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.
<9999 > <9999 > <9999 > <9999 > <9999 > <9999 > (Strongs Number)
(Interlinear Transliterated Bible. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc.)
Yep, that last part was all added...interesting.
Interesting
If I got a NASB, I would always compare it with the KJV.
There is one thing that puzzles me. In Rev. 22:14, the KJV says, "Blessed are they that do his commandments. . ." All other version that I have seen say "Blessed are they that wash their robes . . ." I have never found anything that explains why the KJV is different.
Okay You all.. Im Just saying, we should Shoot Ruby.
lol
:o
:pound: Eric
*BANG!!*
Ok. Done.
I am undecided on this topic. I see the point, and I WANT to read the other versions, but my upbringing has made me never even try.
Ruby and I have had this conversation many times before, and while I see her views, I cannot bring myself to read anything else other than a good ole' KJV.
*laugh* And I'm perfectly okay with that. Like Mini said... JUST READ! *smile*
:beret:
great conversation. *kind of excited with Mini*
What each and every one of us needs to understand is that the KJV is not the original Bible. "Yeah, yeah you say, we know that" but it gets forgotten. And while it was translated by scholars, they were not Christians only. While there was a high professional standard, there IS room for a lack of spiritual understanding.
You can't only go by translating words, nor can you only go by translating ideas. Both are essential. But I find that trying to find the original of the Word requires learning the original language- Hebrew, Arabic, and Greek, which is a lifetime endeavor! And most people are not that interested in getting that deep, honestly.
Really, that doesn't bother me either like it used to. There are all types of people and some just need to know there is one God while others want to explore every tributary of the amazing oneness of God. Both are necessary for balance.
Now I was raised by KJV and love it not just for the integral effort that was put into it but for the old English beauty that I believe very much is in sync with such passages like the poetic Psalms, this is so important and often lacks in newer translations.
However, there is in fact so much context lost in the KJV. Everything is type and shadow. There are so many truths carved in the OT that because we don't know or understand them, our revelation of the NT is limited I truly believe. We know oneness, but there is heaps and heaps of oneness so much more than I have EVER realized because simply translating words OR ideas is not still not truly enough.
For example. Our old assist.pastor taught a class on how to study the Bible. He practically is a scholar...lol I cannot even begin to remember it all but we were going to start on Hebrews. We spent 4 hours of hard study and couldn't get past the first verse. Why? Because the mere Greek language itself made perfectly clear that there is one God. You don't get that by simply reading the verse KJV but because of the tenses of Greek, if you were Greek it would be clearly implied.
The English language itself is limited compared to Greek, let alone not knowing all the truths that were ingrained in the OT and we are left lacking SO much. I give props to anyone that endeavors to seek out TRUTH. Americans do not have the corner on it, and it requires the Holy Ghost to keep a correct revelation and not go off on a tangent.
Another example I've shared before. At the passover where Jesus had the last supper: They had wine. However, if you knew that in the Jewish custom that they pour 4 glasses of wine for each person and they all stand for something and that the last 2 do not get drank but stand for the Messiah and that Jesus drank the 3rd but left the 4th you realize what a powerful moment and message that was with the disciples. That He was the messiah and that He IS coming back. It completely broadens the event!
Now it doesn't save you or lose you to hell if you don't know that but knowledge IS power and the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. If you are hungry for Truth and following it to the source spiritually and in the Word, your mind is going to be blown.
Thanks Mini, just reading your post and talking about it has me a bit more inspired. There is SO much more to our foundational one God, salvation experience. This is why when Israel gets the revelation that are going to go beyond anything we or few of us ever can imagine.
Mini, if you don't have it already, you would really enjoy the complete Jewish Bible by David Stern. It is a messianic Jew that translated the NT. Jesus was Jewish, everything He said/did was on a foundation of truths manifested in custom, established in the OT.
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Quote from: MelodyB on June 09, 2009, 06:33:23 PM
*BANG!!*
Ok. Done.
I am undecided on this topic. I see the point, and I WANT to read the other versions, but my upbringing has made me never even try.
Ruby and I have had this conversation many times before, and while I see her views, I cannot bring myself to read anything else other than a good ole' KJV.
That was my point of view for so long Mel. I was raised to read only the KJV. For the past 4 or 5 years I have had to strive to make sure I teach from more than just my view of what the word says. So, I had to get out of my comfort zone and learn, as I did that, I realized that there is a deeper understanding of the word that exists outside of my predigest.
The same scriptures that I have read for years, I suddenly have better understanding of them.
In no way do I think we need to abandon the KJV, I just really think we need to get out of our comfort zone.
-mini
So how many times have you read the Bible through, Mel?
I have never just read it straight through.
Im not sure if I have read ALL of it. I am sure I have, but Im not 100% positive.
What are you insinuating?
;)
Stevebert and I have read it through 7 times were working on #8.
Quote from: MellowYellow on June 09, 2009, 07:47:33 PM
Mini, if you don't have it already, you would really enjoy the complete Jewish Bible by David Stern. It is a messianic Jew that translated the NT. Jesus was Jewish, everything He said/did was on a foundation of truths manifested in custom, established in the OT.
:updown:
I do not, but I will look for one. Thanks...
Quote from: MelodyB on June 09, 2009, 10:10:42 PM
I have never just read it straight through.
Im not sure if I have read ALL of it. I am sure I have, but Im not 100% positive.
What are you insinuating?
;)
Not insinuating anything at all. I just know that I used to REALLY struggle with the daily BREAD program. I would plow through the first few months, but then get behind in history and the prophets, and then try for the rest of the year to catch up.
The first time that I read the Bible through in the NIV, I did it in less than a year.
I was just asking to find out if you might have trouble getting through the whole Bible because it's not easy to stay involved in reading something that isn't able to be understood quickly.
Good point JinbowRingles.
I was gonna say that this is not a thread to bash people over how many times they have read through their bible.
On a side note, I bet we sound like the people who fussed when John Wycliffe translated the bible, when we think KJV is best...LOL
*laugh* You just may be right, Mini.
Elona, that's close to what happened to me, as well. The BREAD program and I do not get along very well. :lol: We have a long history together, and I think we're both trying to not hold hard feelings against each other. ;) It went much better for me with the NLT.
:beret:
When I first started going to church, I read the "Good News Bible" and I had found something that I had never seen before. I was talking about it with someone in church, and they wanted me to find the place I found that thing. I can't remember the point this long after, but I looked and looked in my KJV and couldn't find it. I eventually looked it up again in the Good News Bible, and it was totally different.
In the KJV it was clear and didn't mean anything like what the translateion said. So I'm very careful about reading any translateion through because of my experience.
I grew up going to a Sunday school and the sword drills, so the KJV was very familiar. I wasn't totally new to the Bible. I was just adjusting to the information that wasn't taught in other churches.
Mellow Yellow, what does Rev. 22:14 say in Stern's Jewish Bible?
Quote from: rootbeer on June 14, 2009, 01:22:56 AMMellow Yellow, what does Rev. 22:14 say in Stern's Jewish Bible?
How blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they have the right to eat from the tree of Life and go through the gates of the city! here is the verse before it- 13:
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.and the verse after- 15.
Outside are the homosexuals, those involved with the occult and with drugs, the sexually immoral, murderers, idol-worshippers, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
*cracks knuckles and takes a deep breath*
Facebook.
1.) I don't want to hear you panic when the precious game you have been playing for the last 7 weeks, 23 hours a day, crashes. Its a game. Please don't include 95 status updates on how you cant access it. Get off the computer and do something productive. Like breathe.
2.) You divorce your spouse. Somehow, some sick excuse of a judge gives you custody of your children. Please don't post every time your child goes to visit their parent. And quit warping that kid into thinking their parent is a devil. You make yourself look like a idiot. Someone, somewhere, is bound to know why YOU divorced your spouse, and all the stuff you did behind your spouses back, then threw all the blame on the spouse, and they are bound to air your dirty laundry some day. It's not gonna be me, im just bearing the message of the pending doom.
3.) Your kid sneezes. You assume he has black lung, and make funeral arrangements. Every day. Shaddup.
4.) Your posts make you look like a crackhead. Seriously, you fritz out every time you post. Lay off the meds. And go to a detox center that wont allow internet access.
5.) You quit going to church. Please, dont post about how free you are when you are really enslaved. Dont post pics of you with your drink, with your sin. It hurts me to bad.
6.) You struggle with God. That I understand. We all do. But LISTEN! You want advice, listen to it! We are trying to help!
*sigh*
AMEN!! Preach!
:beret:
None of my people on FB are like that. My nieces and nephews like to show pics of themselves with beer, but they think that's normal. Some of the youth from church have posted themselves in bikinis, with beers, and cut hair and claim they're still going to church. HMMMMM Not judging as much as praying for them.
But otherwise, my contacts are pretty boring. Oh, I have one ex-in-law who likes to swear all the time. I clicked hide. She doesn't know she's not being observed and I don't have to read that junk.
I was raised with kjv only theology. Now that I've opened up to using other translations I'm finding that the scripture is coming alive to me more than it ever did when I only used kjv.
Jerm....sounds like we have the same facebook friends..lol
:ignore:
LOL.. oh my.
There's been a couple of people I just never add to begin with cause I know better, and there are some I have ended up deleting cause it's no fun wading through 20 posts about the same or dumb stuff. Most of my FB friends are in my church or on GP actually.
I love eSword, it's great for comparisons, usually when reading the bible I first read the KJV then the MSG if I don't really get what the verse is trying to say...if I don't think the MSG is accurate I look at the others and then the STRONGS numbers to get a better idea. There's an upside to being a half-Greek Pentecostal....you actually know how to pronounce the words and you can read it in context....at times....it's also hard because it's Ancient Greek. Sometimes I understand the KJV version more than the MSG. I probably wouldn't read the MSG without the comparison though.
Quote from: MellowYellow on October 15, 2009, 01:45:59 AM
LOL.. oh my.
There's been a couple of people I just never add to begin with cause I know better, and there are some I have ended up deleting cause it's no fun wading through 20 posts about the same or dumb stuff. Most of my FB friends are in my church or on GP actually.
I have only deleted one person, but I do love that hide button. ;)
Yeah, with the hide button, they don't know you did it, you don't have to insult them by deleting them, and nobody gets mad, and I don't have to read their "language". Works for me!
Oh, I've hid a couple... :freaky2:
ME?? ?? *Sis holds hand over Mini's hide button waiting for the answer*
Sis, until they try & talk to you. If I have to delete them or don't add them in the 1st place & they cant figure out why or get offended, it on solidifies my decision.
Like I said, my nieces and nephews don't need to know. They hardly ever talk to me anyway, and I don't need any more family problems. That's all I need is my brother getting all up in arms over nothing. I'll just hide them.
Quote from: Sis on October 15, 2009, 05:30:37 AM
ME?? ?? *Sis holds hand over Mini's hide button waiting for the answer*
No, you are not one i have hidden.
Quote from: minnesota68 on October 14, 2009, 07:48:07 PM*cracks knuckles and takes a deep breath*
Facebook.
1.) I don't want to hear you panic when the precious game you have been playing for the last 7 weeks, 23 hours a day, crashes. Its a game. Please don't include 95 status updates on how you cant access it. Get off the computer and do something productive. Like breathe.
2.) You divorce your spouse. Somehow, some sick excuse of a judge gives you custody of your children. Please don't post every time your child goes to visit their parent. And quit warping that kid into thinking their parent is a devil. You make yourself look like a idiot. Someone, somewhere, is bound to know why YOU divorced your spouse, and all the stuff you did behind your spouses back, then threw all the blame on the spouse, and they are bound to air your dirty laundry some day. It's not gonna be me, im just bearing the message of the pending doom.
3.) Your kid sneezes. You assume he has black lung, and make funeral arrangements. Every day. Shaddup.
4.) Your posts make you look like a crackhead. Seriously, you fritz out every time you post. Lay off the meds. And go to a detox center that wont allow internet access.
5.) You quit going to church. Please, dont post about how free you are when you are really enslaved. Dont post pics of you with your drink, with your sin. It hurts me to bad.
6.) You struggle with God. That I understand. We all do. But LISTEN! You want advice, listen to it! We are trying to help!
*sigh*
I share your sigh and that's why I just deactivated my account. What's more is the ones that post like they are spiritual but in person are tearing down the church, the leadership because of course they how to run everything better. I'm not perfect, it's a given, but I am fed up with all the liars I see lately, blah! Be imperfect, work through trials, but don't lie!
I'm ready to read something else you post Mini! hurry up! :grin:
OK Mellow, I'm as imperfect as they come. More than most saints! Does that mean you loves me?
I do post scripture and and stuff on my status on FB. Its not to make me seem anything. I know it prolly sounds stupid to some but its a way to push me to study and read more. Whats interesting that I even get alot of old school friends and people I have added from around here where I live that comment they like it and such and that started pushing me some, thinking maybe I can help someone.
I did have an old schoolmate message me saying I was stupid and trying to sound so holy and then he dropped me lol. But after that I did lay off some because I don't want to seem that way, I know I am prolly more messed up than most here. Its just something have got started enjoying doing. I know once I get started back to school it will slack off to some.
Tricia, I really like the way you post Scripture on FB. :) It's encouraging. And I've never thought you sounded like you were "preaching" at anyone - it just sounds like you're posting what's on your mind and heart. Scripture is a great thing to be thinking about. :) Don't stop, please!
:beret:
Tricia, don't stop posting scripture! You are being transparent and it is a blessing and testimony. Honesty goes a long way, it welcomes grace. The Word of God is not offensive, well unless it says something that offends the sin in someone's life but even then, an honest heart recieves the chastening, it's STILL a blessing. My beef has nothing to do with actually posting scripture.
No one on GP has ever posted one thing and then told me something else. You all are great.
Sis, being imperfect isn't an option, we all are. Some days I am flooded with thoughts of grace and others I desire right judgement of God, for truth to triumph in all things. We all need grace though, especially me, so that is the end of my little carnal tantrum. :updown:
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It's all irrelevant. God's good and still on the throne, & He is ever patient and full of mercy & grace for my life.
I know what you mean. There is a woman on there, that I really haven't met, but she had some info I wanted, so we became friends.
She's always talking about God, holiness, giving and all that. I didn't think she was Apostolic, though. Just before Christmas they (From the Chicago area) were all planning on having a Christmas party. It came out that it was going to be at a bar with lots of booze and dancing. That blew that image.
Ill have to look for a good rant....lol
If you have to look for one, all must be good in your world at the moment!
Quote from: MellowYellow on June 09, 2009, 11:47:33 AM
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Mini, if you don't have it already, you would really enjoy the complete Jewish Bible by David Stern. It is a messianic Jew that translated the NT. Jesus was Jewish, everything He said/did was on a foundation of truths manifested in custom, established in the OT.
I saw that in a bookstore right before coming to Guatemala and really wanted to get it!
*deep breath*
My latest rant, once again courtesy of facebook.
I do not mean to bash a good cause, but I am consciously gonna pick on a few folks. So if you want to unfriend me, go to your friend list, and click on the X to the far right of my name. *grin*
I am reminded of that old joke...'Who was that lady I saw you with last night?' The response? 'If it was last night, that was no lady.'
And to all the women that decided to get in on today's facebook craze, shame on you.
I first started seeing "colors" posted sometime this afternoon, and much to my horror, quickly learned what it was for, and it was "for a good cause."
While I agree that we need better medicine to cure cancer, we do not need Christian women promoting this in a provocative way.
You may say, its just a little harmless fun, its just for a good cause. Lets consider that. How does it help a cause when you post your color? I contend that the only cause you help is by making every man (single, young, and every married man) think twice about a area of your body he shouldn't be dwelling on.
Am I overreacting? Would you openly discuss that in front of a man? I should hope not.
1 Peter 1:15-18 says this: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
You should give up conversation that is not Godly. Matter of fact, if your conversation does not honor God, why are you doing it?
1 Peter 3:1-2 talks about the ladies. Unfortunately male chauvinists misuse the verse to often, but stay with me for just a moment. Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. Just me thinking out loud here, but lets imagine this scenario again, this time with Joe out of church. If Joe finds out Sally his wife is not being holy in her conversation, online, on the phone, in her text messages, she has lost her witness to him. But imagine how it makes him feel when you announce your color to the world.
Again in 1 Peter 2:12: Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation. You should never give a person chance to stumble (let alone a member of the opposite sex).
1 Tim 4:12 tells all of us to "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity." Again in f Phil 1:27: Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
You have to be careful about what your innocent conversation contains. You may do more harm than good!
Don't get mad, I had no idea what the color thing was. I was just amazed that people I know didn't know each other were doing the same thing.
How can a disease make you think of a part of the body in a sexual way? I would be grossed out if it was cancer of a man's part of the body that we don't discuss in polite company. Because when women get cancer there, that part gets lopped off and leaving her to adjust to feeling like a freak. Just sayin'.
Sis, I never saw your post. However, how is posting the color of your bra helping breast cancer awareness? The only thing that does is bring about breast awareness.
:smirk2:
Sorry, I said it in the other thread. I didn't know that's the colors they were posting. Thought it was something else. I call it low class. Just because you can't actually SEE the people you're "talking" to doesn't mean everything goes! Sheesh! No class!
GO, MINI!! That was a fabulous rant. :great:
I hadn't been on FB at all today until just a while ago, and was totally confused by a few posts for a bit. That's completely disgusting, and I can't fathom any godly (or even remotely classy, decent woman!) going along with this. *shakes head to clear it*
You nailed it:
Quote from: minnesota68 on January 08, 2010, 03:42:57 AM
How is posting the color of your bra helping breast cancer awareness? The only thing that does is bring about breast awareness.
:smirk2:
I don't get it.
Facebook can be fun, I found my nephews after not seeing them since 1995. I almost feel like I am a part of their life now. I keep track of family and church people. But my goodness the stupid stuff people post. ???
One gal posted a long rant about her ex hubby and why he doesn't visit the kids. I know the lady, should I have posted that she is the one who met a man in a chat room and left her Holy Ghost filled hubby to move to a different state to live with her new man?
Same here! Found people I haven't seen since I left Duluth. I got the phone number of a favorite cousin in chicago that I had no idea how to get ahold of, then her daughter. Even "met" and befriended a sister of a friend.
Then the stupid stuff.
Someone unfriended me...LOL I went down 1.
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Quote from: minnesota68 on January 09, 2010, 12:13:47 PM
Someone unfriended me...LOL I went down 1.
Oh well, if announcing what color underwear they have on is more important, you haven't lost much. :smirk2:
Quote from: Sis on January 09, 2010, 05:54:10 PM
Quote from: minnesota68 on January 09, 2010, 12:13:47 PM
Someone unfriended me...LOL I went down 1.
Oh well, if announcing what color underwear they have on is more important, you haven't lost much. :smirk2:
Let's see here....
green, blue while, red, oh wait, wrong piece of clothing, I am describing my
pajama pants! :laughhard:
I don't want to know.
yeah, seeing my Mother-In-Law post a "color" was probably the creepiest thing that I have seen so far this year. Also my husband saw it after he knew what it was about. Seriously, that's practically her telling him about her underwear! It's creepy!! If you wouldn't say it to someone in person, why post it on Facebook. I am SOOO thankful that my mother didn't post a color! *shudders*
Geri
Its been a LONG while since I posted a [rant] [/rant].
[rant]
Negative people. Why do you have to
- take offense at everything?
- air the aforementioned offense?
- poo on everything in the world?
There are a few people that EVERYTHING they say, everything they do, and everything they post is negative.
Example: (may or may not be made up, if you think its you im talking about you may or may not be right (probably not))
(Random FB Poster) I just got a inheritance and was able to pay off my house! I miss my granny, but this was her dying wish for me to own my house! Thank you Jesus!
(Random FB Poster's Friend #1) That is so great! I was there and know that she uttered this in her dying breath.
(Random FB Poster's Friend #2) PTL! (And thank you granny)
(Random FB Poster) AMEN! And I was able to buy a reliable used car to take kiddos to church every sunday! Pics coming!
(Negative Norm) YOU WILL BURN IN HELL BECAUSE THERE ARE STARVIN KIDS IN AFRICA AND DRUG BABIES DYING! YOU SHOULD HAVE GIVEN THAT MONEY TO SOME ORGANIZATION! THEY COULD HAVE USED IT BETTER.See what I mean? Everyone could be holding hands and singing Kumbaya, and one poster had to prove that they are a bastion of negativity for every friend on their list. I think they may have been twice dipped in a prune juice/lemon juice mix, and put up wet.
You could post this:
(Random FB Poster) I have decided to give my inheritance to starving children in Africa.
That is commendable.
But Negative Norm the FB friend would reply:
YOU ARE A IDIOT. THERE ARE STARVING KIDS IN AMERICA. THE AFRICA DEAL IS A SCAM.There is no pleasing them.
*sigh*
[/rant]
(this was not meant in any way to point at Roscoe Bob and his downright dirty post on my page about eating ribs. He however is over the top evil for posting that.)
Quote from: minnesota68 on February 24, 2011, 09:35:07 PM
Its been a LONG while since I posted a [rant] [/rant].
[rant]
Negative people.
Why do you have to
- take offense at everything?
- air the aforementioned offense?
- poo on everything in the world?
There are a few people that EVERYTHING they say, everything they do, and everything they post is negative.
[/rant]
(this was not meant in any way to point at Roscoe Bob and his downright dirty post on my page about eating ribs. He however is over the top evil for posting that.)
But Mini, I wasn't negative at all when I posted that. I was POSITIVE the ribs were delicious. :laughhard:
And who's the "Negative Norm" now? Instead of rejoicing with me because God has blessed me with a delicious meal, you're jealous. Hmmmm..... Matthew 7:5 comes to mind as fitting this post. :laughhard: :laughhard:
Eh, there are people like that everywhere, in real life, not just on FB and forums.
Or in the words of my grandmother, talking about a lady who used to work with her: "She was never happy unless someone else was unhappy."
Quote from: five-oh on February 24, 2011, 10:56:05 PM
But Mini, I wasn't negative at all when I posted that. I was POSITIVE the ribs were delicious. :laughhard:
And who's the "Negative Norm" now? Instead of rejoicing with me because God has blessed me with a delicious meal, you're jealous. Hmmmm..... Matthew 7:5 comes to mind as fitting this post. :laughhard: :laughhard:
You bum...LOL Ill be sure to post some pics on FB tomorrow night....
Quote from: Psalm_97 on February 24, 2011, 10:58:12 PM
Eh, there are people like that everywhere, in real life, not just on FB and forums.
Or in the words of my grandmother, talking about a lady who used to work with her: "She was never happy unless someone else was unhappy."
Then she should ALWAYS be happy! There is always someone discontent out there...
In the last 2 wks, both of my (step) sisters have gotten married.
So when the second wedding took place this week, I posted on my sister's FB page: Can't wait for the family reunion! Both weddings, because of circumstances, were elopements so we haven't gotten all together yet.
Don'tcha know someone's offended... lol
Quote from: MellowYellow on March 04, 2011, 10:17:56 PM
In the last 2 wks, both of my (step) sisters have gotten married.
So when the second wedding took place this week, I posted on my sister's FB page: Can't wait for the family reunion! Both weddings, because of circumstances, were elopements so we haven't gotten all together yet.
Don'tcha know someone's offended... lol
Thats downright offensive...
:P
Indeed! I'm offended that Mini's offended because they were offended. I mean, what's NOT to be offended about?!
*cough* ;)
:beret:
I'm too indolent to be offended. Wake me up if something incredibly offensive comes along and I might consider putting forth the effort to be offended.
Quote from: Psalm_97 on March 07, 2011, 03:19:04 AM
I'm too indolent to be offended. Wake me up if something incredibly offensive comes along and I might consider putting forth the effort to be offended.
Im offended you used a word like indolent and made me try to figure out what it meant.
Cool. Have fun with it. Glad I could help. :cool:
I am way smarter than you guys, therefor I cannot understand your made up words...
lol jk
Quote from: Psalm_97 on March 07, 2011, 03:19:04 AM
I'm too indolent to be offended. Wake me up if something incredibly offensive comes along and I might consider putting forth the effort to be offended.
'spoken' like a true feline. :thumbsup2:
I learned a lot from the cats we had. Most things people get upset about just aren't worth the energy, not to mention the high blood pressure.
Newest Rant about FB people...
Saw this post yesterday:
QuoteIts not a secret that I don't like halloween.
It went on to say to be safe...and amittedly, it comes from a person who likes to thrust themselves into the center of attention. When I read that yesterday, I thought...wait a second...that persons post doesnt match up with some of the stuff they have posted recently. Then, I promptly forgot about it. Today, I was skimming facebook, and saw two posts, by the same person, back to back:
QuoteThe twilight mania is in full swing at our house.
And then:
QuoteThis soundtrack is going to be awesome.
The Official Site for the Twilight Series: Breaking Dawn Soundtrack
breakingdawnthesoundtrack.com
Ok...if you dont like halloween, why are you one of those people who go totally nuts over the twilight movies? The point is, she has no moral objection to halloween. She just says whatever she wants to be noticed at the moment. I was tempted to point out the error of her ways so she could continue not to like halloween and be noticed at the same time, but figured she might not do well with that kind of attention.
*sigh*
That's hilarious! You shoulda said something about coming over dressed as a vampire...
People who call an animal hospital for advice about their pet then tell me I'm wrong because that's not what the Internet said.......oh brother........
Just be glad you're not an auto mechanic or computer tech. They get that *ALL* the time. :frustrated:
Did you ask her what site she was reading her "information" from? If it was from a forum, and she told you, the professional, that you were wrong because it disagreed with what she read in a forum, you are permitted to laugh in her face. I think there's a law somewhere allowing it. :thumbsup2: