Once you go Barack, you never go back

[yosemite]

why is it so hard to just do as the bible says, a man eats by the sweat of his brow. sounds like democracy and capitalism to me. you make what you earn. you do as well as you work. every man for hisself!!

[yosemite]

My dad is constantly saying he doesn't know how someone can call themselves Christian and vote Democrat.  He's under the belief that anyone who votes Democrat and is a Christian is in favor of abortion and gay marriages.

Myself?  I am voting for an independent candidate this term.

Those kinds of comments irritate me to death.
And imo, anyone that thinks like that, is closed-minded and doesn't really understand the concept of "Religion and Politics should not be mixed" (maybe you are on the wrong track and maybe the reason you get mad is you know it.)

Do we force people to be Christians? Do we force them to pray, read the bible, women to wear skirts, not cut their hair.. and so on? No, those are convictions everyone holds in themselves.
Why then, should we restrict other people to other things. It's their decision and theirs alone, that is between them and God. It doesn't involve us at all. PERIOD.
I mean, do you approach someone in the streets about church, and start off saying what they can and cannot do? No, that is left for their own hearts and their own walk with God. ( convictions are what guids us to do Gods will along or in harmony with HolyGhost. no one is forceing you to do what you know is right!!)
But I am not going to go into that to much, I have argued this so many times and it's pointless to get across. (dido)

My main argument to that is, there are A LOT more things to consider  in Democrat vs. Republican, besides Gay marriage and abortion. A LOT MORE. I am not going to limit myself to those two very small things, that for one DO NOT EFFECT me personally.
(it does effect you personally: financially and spiritually!!dont you know abortion and gay legal issues will come out of your pay in the form of taxes. if you vote for a person that endorses these sins you may as well endorse it too!  ohhh you think a human life is a small thing!!  maybe a human life isnt worth your consideration!! abortion is murder plain and simple!!!! you know id try to help ya out come judgement day, but i'll be busy filling my own shoes..i must have read that wrong i know she didnt say two very small issues.)

[yosemite]

I really, honestly don't care who anyone votes for. It's a free country. I registered to vote, and I get to vote for whoever I want, for whatever reason. ( neener neener-childish) And I never even brought up Abortion EVER, I just made a response to someone. So that never crossed my mind one bit. ( it should )

I didn't intend for this article to be completely taken out of proportion. I just made an article just showing who I wanted to vote for, with a little funny comment "the title" That's all it was suppose to be. And for whoever was voting for him too, could join in.

Anyway, after that I will no longer be posting on this thread because I think it's pointless and stupid to argue with any of you. Everyone has their opinions and don't think people should get so over dramatic about it.

Alright. Peace.

pointless and stupid because we're right? or because you think we're stupid? religious freedom and the right to vote and express our opinion is not overdramatic!!

ever watch freaky friday? there is a line in there i like. "youth is wasted on the young!"

all i can say roxy girl, tame that tiger while you know it all because there will be a time you will look back and say i wish i had known better! if policy never crossed your mind as to why your voting for borax it must not be a political reason, *you think he's cute?*
john mccain isnt your type?   what?

maybe you are just marching to the beat of a popular majority drummer. Jesus never did that. once the majority told jesus to get rid of an old woman. jesus  blessed her against the majority's will !  you know, talking about a majority reminds me of a broad path that a lot of people are gonna take.

[jdcord]

"Democracy" is just tyranny in a different form. 

"In the end more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security.  When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

~ Edward Gibbon (1737-1794), Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire

"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress.... Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America."

~ James Madison (1751-1836), Founding Father of the United States of America, and Father of its Constitution;  4th President of the United States

Don't expect that quote by Madison to be cited by either Obama or McCain any time soon, seeing as they and both of their parties seem to have based their entire platforms, and indeed their entire political existence, on a desire to "subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America" - by foisting upon the American people every single reprehensible and unconstitutional abuse of power described by Madison ....... and then some.

[yosemite]

What's wrong with not voting at all? 

well, there will be one less voice for keeping pure evil out of office, but if God leads you in that path, so be it.

[titushome]

IMO, both socialism and democracy are failed plans, neither one actually does what it's supposed to.  Socialism devolves into communism, democracy to fascism.

Now we are trying to stuff more socialism into the democratic side of our republic, why?  Socialism carries with it the ills of poorer education (public schools, anyone?), poorer standards of living (in my view, sheer freedom enhances the standard of living more than having someone else pay for my stuff.)

IMO, "socialism" and "democracy" amount to the same thing, since if you ask the pipple, of course they're gonna vote themselves socialized-everything-they-can.  They converge.  Anyone with an eye for history can see that.

I wouldn't mind having a constitutional monarchy.

Our government is actually a mix: something of a limited elected monarchy (the presidency), a republic (where the citizens elect representatives to make decisions on their behalf), and a democracy (where the citizens vote on things for themselves).

It's still far from perfect, but the government the founders finally arrived at after years of debate really ain't too bad.

[jdcord]

Concerning the idea of simply not voting at all:


If enough eligible voters simply refused to vote in a given election, how could any of the candidates, much more the government itself, claim to be truly representing "the people"?  And how could they then claim any authority to govern?

If, say, only 30% of all eligible voters actually went to the polls for a presidential and congressional election, how could any of the "winning" candidates claim to be the people's choice, much more claim that their election gives them a "mandate" from the people??  .... How could the "winners" claim any kind of valid representative authority  when 70% of the eligible voters voiced their displeasure in the choice of candidates, and by their absence essentially cast their votes for "None of the Above"?


Any time that a government is elected by less than 50% of the eligible voters that is a clear sign that the voters have lost all faith in both that government, and in its election process;  that same government loses any and all claims that it supposedly represents "the people", and by default it also loses all of its authority to govern that it claims to derive from those same people.

[HolinessPK]

n/a

[OGIA]

What's wrong with not voting at all? 

well, there will be one less voice for keeping pure evil out of office, but if God leads you in that path, so be it.

Oh, I'm sure I'll vote.  I have for a long time now.   But, I view politics much differently nowadays.  I used to get all worked up about it, but I am pretty much at the point that I couldn't care less who gets elected. 

I do feel an obligation to voice my opinion and I do feel, as a citizen of this country, that God expects me to honor and obey its leaders (as regarding man's law).  However, I've come to believe that God's eternal purpose in raising up this country will be accomplished no matter who I or anyone votes for.  Some will call that a copout.  I call it sovereignty and God's purpose being higher than man's desires.  Didn't He prove that in the OT with the Jews?  He let them have their king and then go downhill for centuries before He finally came to earth to show them what His government should look like. 

My vote is simply because I feel He desires me to at this time, but I don't view my vote as necessary to help Him accomplish His purpose.  Our votes for President of the USA don't have any effect on His Kingdom, and that is the one I am most, if not completely, concerned about these days. 

As I said, I don't believe I could care any less who gets elected.  I just know that whoever does get elected will be because HE designed it that way and that it is being done to bring about the revelation of Who HE is to this world, along with establishing the only government that will ever be 100% successful.

[yosemite]

bravo, well said.  -yo

[Tsalagi]

IMO, both socialism and democracy are failed plans, neither one actually does what it's supposed to.  Socialism devolves into communism, democracy to fascism.

Now we are trying to stuff more socialism into the democratic side of our republic, why?  Socialism carries with it the ills of poorer education (public schools, anyone?), poorer standards of living (in my view, sheer freedom enhances the standard of living more than having someone else pay for my stuff.)

IMO, "socialism" and "democracy" amount to the same thing, since if you ask the pipple, of course they're gonna vote themselves socialized-everything-they-can.  They converge.  Anyone with an eye for history can see that.

I wouldn't mind having a constitutional monarchy.

Our government is actually a mix: something of a limited elected monarchy (the presidency), a republic (where the citizens elect representatives to make decisions on their behalf), and a democracy (where the citizens vote on things for themselves).

It's still far from perfect, but the government the founders finally arrived at after years of debate really ain't too bad.

I did neglect to throw in the republic - our country is a republic, theoretically a "democratic republic".  What most folk who identify with "the people" do not understand is that the Founders were most all of them wealthy, influential, powerful people.  ARISTOCRATS.  The lines of Second Sons, et c.

Not farmers or small business owners, in other words not "democratic".  (Although in it's strictest sense, a "democracy" should refer to an overriding middle class, one that is educated and sober, one that actually keeps track of the decisions made in the houses of government, and the effects of said decisions - worldwide)

Look back at the governmental stink caused by Jefferson's inauguration, from the simple clothes he wore (not at all like Washington's inauguration) to the "mud-heeled farmers" climbing all over the furniture afterwards   The "Founders" were most unhappy regarding this ...rather...muddy... breach of protocol.

Why?  Because they feared that they would not be taken seriously by Europe, that they would appear as "the rabble".

We have got to learn to look at this country's government in light of family line all the way back through Europe's founding families, and their collateral lines.  Again, let me stress that every candidate running for the Presidency has some of the blood of Europe's royals running through their veins (They are all related to one another).

We tend as a nation to be blind to the politics of Empire.  Look back at all the "Revolutions" that occurred (very close to one another) and after study, tell me that they weren't planned.  Each and every one of those "revolutions" came at the hands of the educated middle class (agitators) stirring up the majority class (farmers and small craftsmen) against the rulers.

It's all the same.

*shrug*

[Scott]

I don't get the point of voting for an independant party, you might as well not vote at all... you know they will never win.

That is never the point, the point is having your say.  Should I vote for Satan or his #1 demon just because one of them might win?  The same applies to the election, we have our choices and we have a chance to vote and register our view, win , lose or draw.

[yosemite]

I don't get the point of voting for an independant party, you might as well not vote at all... you know they will never win.

That is never the point, the point is having your say.  Should I vote for Satan or his #1 demon just because one of them might win?  The same applies to the election, we have our choices and we have a chance to vote and register our view, win , lose or draw.

that is exactly right!! thanks scot. another thing that is ruining our elections is this popularity pole thing telling " who is gonna win " when no one knows who it will be. i think this leads a lot of clueless people to just vote for " the winner " of the pole.
people are being brainwashed as how to vote.

if you are clueless and need to know how to vote:
1. take a suvey of your church and like minded people who vote their convictions and see who they think is worthy.

2. vote for that person!!  simple! and at least you'll be voteing for the right survey! not one bought and payed for by the democrats.

now you have no excuse for being clueless!!  LOL                    -yo

[SippinTea]

if you are clueless and need to know how to vote:
1. take a suvey of your church and like minded people who vote their convictions and see who they think is worthy.

2. vote for that person!!  simple!

Mmmm... I think I'd rather draw my own conclusions, not let someone else make my decision for me.

What happens if I'm in _their_ survey?

[Scott]

Admin Note: IF any more posts have to be deleted, this thread gets nuked.

[EricShane]

i think we should have kings and queens and princes and Princess's! lol... I wanna be a Prince! 

[Sis]

    

[SippinTea]

i think we should have kings and queens and princes and Princess's! lol... I wanna be a Prince! 

Nobody's kissed you yet, eh?

*cough*

[Ashlee]

Don't look at me.  I've given up on the frogs around here.

[Sis]

i think we should have kings and queens and princes and Princess's! lol... I wanna be a Prince! 

Nobody's kissed you yet, eh?

*cough*

He wants you to kiss his ring!

[EricShane]

i think we should have kings and queens and princes and Princess's! lol... I wanna be a Prince! 

Nobody's kissed you yet, eh?

*cough*

haha Ruby dont make me croak!

[Sis]

haha Ruby dont make me croak!

Eric after watching a scary thing pup up on the computer screen..... 

[yosemite]

if you are clueless and need to know how to vote:
1. take a suvey of your church and like minded people who vote their convictions and see who they think is worthy.

2. vote for that person!!  simple!

Mmmm... I think I'd rather draw my own conclusions, not let someone else make my decision for me.

What happens if I'm in _their_ survey?

well if your in their survey: you must be thought of as one who keeps up with all the issues and have a valued opinion as to what or who is worthy. in my opinion you are obligated to give a well thought answer and cover the why's and how's and who's as aligns with your convictions to the issues. and drawing your own conclusions was my
intention for the post i last made. dont be clueless. keep up with issues, not the populus or popularity pole. dont follow the masses blindly. but if your one who has to vote on a survey finding, vote toward your church's convictions and surveys. dont vote on a pole that is bought and payed for by the democrats.  -yo

[Ashlee]

haha Ruby dont make me croak!

Eric after watching a scary thing pup up on the computer screen..... 

I took my pic down....what is there to be scared of?

[Max_Kolbe]

I'd rather eat a worm than vote Democrat.  I'd rather eat half a worm than vote Republican.  But then,   I'm a monarchist so there ya go.