Once you go Barack, you never go back

[bishopnl]

LRG,

If you are voting for your father, (who can't vote b/c of citizenship) because he otherwise doesn't have a voice, why would you fault others for voting for the unborn for the same reasons?

Don't get me wrong...I'm not a single issue voter.  But I hope that America never just "gets over" abortion.  Apply that same logic 150 years ago to a situation like slavery, which abolitionists believe was a moral wrong and a blot on the face of America.  Should they have just "gotten over" it?

For my part, there are a whole host of reasons why I despise Barack Obama and his policies, not just abortion.  And come January 20th, if Obama is sworn in, all the people who believed, incorrectly, that Obama was a unifier and a wind of change are going to find out otherwise.  You can't be voted the most liberal congressman in the senate and seriously be considered the man who's going to put an end to Washington partisanship.

[titushome]

I don't get the point of voting for an independant party, you might as well not vote at all... you know they will never win.

The only reason "they will never win" is because not enough people will vote for them.  The reason not enough people vote for them is because everyone knows "they will never win."  If we ever want to see a change from two-party dominance, someone has to break the cycle.

I'm breaking it.

[Kyle]

So am I.  I'm voting third party cause the the Republican's and Democrats both disgust me.

[Bliss]

I'm actually thinking about voting third party too.

[Legendary_roxy_girL]

 

[M‡¢ĦÆŁ Ҝ]

I'm going with Obama also. 

[EricShane]

it doesnt matter who we vote for, thier not going to be Good... - its that simple

The bible will be fulfilled no matter who is running for president.

[Legendary_roxy_girL]

it doesnt matter who we vote for, thier not going to be Good... - its that simple

The bible will be fulfilled no matter who is running for president.

agreed 

[Tsalagi]

I told ya'll I was a bit more radical than most would believe, here's one reason why:

I am not against "illegal immigration".  At all.  The migration of workers following the harvests is OLD, my friends, older than you or I , older than this nation, as long as this place has been here, the native people have done this.  Transplanted European People [Americans] are being deceived into thinking this is about border security, all the while they ignore the Native peoples, just like they always have.

"They weren't using it, we should be able to take what we need"...the thought processes of the two peoples are just too different.  The Europeans are suspicious of the Natives because they think the Natives are thinking like Europeans.  About profit, about commerce.  About "Who owns the land".  We aren't and don't.

From a governmental standpoint, I am against coyotes, drug cartels, and soldados of the Mexican national government being on "our" soil.  Texas sees a ton of this, their troops on our land - but it gets zilcho coverage in the MSM, and would get none at all if it were not for the Minutemen.  The workers are not the criminals.  Mexico teaches its kids that the US stole the Southwest from them, which it essentially did (NEW MEXICO, anyone?), and everyone over there hates the US.

It is my opinion that we should invade Mexico, and raze Tenochtitlan to the ground.  It is and has always been an evil place, even Cortes remarked on this.  The Mexican government knows about the problem, however they are too weak to stop the cartels, and the various members of their government are too busy lining their pockets to care about the EUA, they hate us anyway.  Google "La Migra" and "Reconquista" also "Aztlan".

Of course, the US federal government isn't going to do anything like that because they are in collusion with members of the federal government of Mexico - more than likely to create a "mandate from the pipple" for a closed southern border, something the native populations of both places are against.

You want to stop coyotes and the like?  Offer the Apache and Commanche money for doing what they used to love doing anyway - keeping the Mexicans frightened to death.

The coyotes may be good in the wastes, but the Apache is better.  No, the Apache is best.

:twocentavos:

I wouldn't vote for Barack if I was paid to.  Simply because the man is an unabashed socialist.  Just like Hillary.

[HolinessPK]

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[Legendary_roxy_girL]

I really, honestly don't care who anyone votes for. It's a free country. I registered to vote, and I get to vote for whoever I want, for whatever reason. And I never even brought up Abortion EVER, I just made a response to someone. So that never crossed my mind one bit.

I didn't intend for this article to be completely taken out of proportion. I just made an article just showing who I wanted to vote for, with a little funny comment "the title" That's all it was suppose to be. And for whoever was voting for him too, could join in.

Anyway, after that I will no longer be posting on this thread because I think it's pointless and stupid to argue with any of you. Everyone has their opinions and don't think people should get so over dramatic about it.

Alright. Peace.

Obama 08

[Brother Dad]

I don't get the point of voting for an independant party, you might as well not vote at all... you know they will never win.

I am sorry but will not tell who or how I will vote.  But the reason a person would vote for a thrid party is because they have convictions, and neither main party fits those convictions.  When we vote we should vote for what we know in our hearts to be right.  Too many people vote for their personal agenda rather than convictions.  It is better to exercise your right to speak out in an election, knowing you will lose, than to vote against your convictions.

[Brother Dad]

why does it always come to abortion... I think people should just get over it. Seriously....
You see women going around saying, " I don't believe in abortion, it's against my religion" well isn't against your religion to have pre-marital sex?

People will inevitably do what they want to do.. regardless of a law or religious belief. Politics are OBVIOUSLY not going to change anyone's mind. So why go around saying that is your reason for voting the way you do. It doesn't make sense at all.

Tax dollars are used to pay abortions, not sex, well unless you count Clinton.

[titushome]

I am sorry but will not tell who or how I will vote.  But the reason a person would vote for a thrid party is because they have convictions, and neither main party fits those convictions.  When we vote we should vote for what we know in our hearts to be right.  Too many people vote for their personal agenda rather than convictions.  It is better to exercise your right to speak out in an election, knowing you will lose, than to vote against your convictions.

I couldn't have said it any better. 

[M‡¢ĦÆŁ Ҝ]

Lets see what other reasons can I give for not ever in my entire life ever even considering voting democrat?

Some of the reasons you list are reason why I will be voting for a Democrat.

1. Gay Marriage.

Gay couples should receive the same rights and benefits as any other couple that wants to get married.

2. Socialistic mindsets.

Socialism isn't always a bad thing.

5. The hatred for the things of God. (It wasnt the republicans that took prayer, the mention of God, the bible, 10 commandments, and morality out of schools..keep that in mind sister.)

There are members of every party that have a "hatred for the things of God."  That's not limited to one single party.   Since the U.S. government was not established upon Christianity, and since fewer than half of the Ten Commandments have any relevance at all to U.S. laws, why should the Ten Commandments be posted in public buildings?  (Actually, if you use the only set of commandments that was ever referred to as The Ten Commandments in the Bible, then none of them have any relevance to U.S. law.)

19. Ok back to their policies............abortion, yes it is an issue.....its murder.

Since I don't believe that abortion is murder, I believe it should be up to the individual to decide whether or not to have one.

21. They are responsible for the tree huggers. You wont find tree huggers in the republican ranks.

On the first point:  If it wasn't for the so called "tree huggers," environmental issues would not be brought to the forefront, and so many environmental disasters would go unchecked.  Places like the Cuyahoga River in Ohio would still be a major fire hazard as well as a public health and safety risk.  On point two:  I work with a very adamant evironmentalist that is also a very staunch Repulican, so you are incorrect on that point.

22. The party that supported slavery. check your history. Lincoln was no democrat.

None of the parties today are what they were 150 years ago, a moot point in my opinion.

28. Anti-war (which means they are wimps with big mouths)

I am against war.  All other means of resolving differences should be exhausted before the U.S. invades another country with guns blazing.

34. Want to sit and talk with our enemies instead of kick their teeth in like Bush has done.

I'll repeat myself:  All other means of resolving differences should be exhausted before the U.S. invades another country with guns blazing.

35. More recently, and some republicans were to blame for this as well......giving rights to the Guantanamo Bay terrorists......I guess citizens havent anymore rights than a terrorist now.

Any one accused of a crime should have the right to a fair trial and counsel.  If not, we are no better than the terrorists that imprison people without due process.

37. flag burners.........you dont see republicans doing that.

If someone wants to burn a flag, they have that right, and I will defend their right to do so.

39. socialized healthcare

It's not necessarily a bad thing.

42. Somehow wiretapping is BAD but tracking people through computer chips, smart cards, and video is ok......hmmmm.

Wiretapping with a properly authorized warrant is not a bad thing.  Wiretapping without a warrant is a bad thing.

45. When our enemies complement someone in our country, that is usually a good sign, that person is no good. Well The world is enthralled with Obama. Even Iran thinks Obama will "improve" relations. Can you not see through that? That makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up and sing.

If an enemy would rather discuss peace options than have the U.S. invade with guns blazing, having someone who would be willing to explore those options would be a good thing.

[HolinessPK]

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[EricShane]

lol...


serious yall... you can 'try' voting for what seems to be 'the lesser of two evils' - but Its still gonna be bad... - Last time the Christians voted for the lesser of two evils, look what happened... lol

[jdcord]

I don't get the point of voting for an independant party, you might as well not vote at all... you know they will never win.

The point is to vote for someone who most completely represents what you really and truly believe and stand for (politically speaking), regardless of the popularity or "chances of winning" that those beliefs and stances may actually have.


It's really quite simple, when we "vote" for a candidate we are placing our personal support behind not just that particular candidate, but also behind the political platform  that said candidate has publicly proclaimed he or she is going to implement.   ...... and not just "part" of their platform:  ALL OF IT!

I mean, do we really think that the public, the media, the politicians in Washington, or even the candidate themselves are really  going to differentiate our "support" for them (i.e., your vote for them), according to each specific part of their platform??  ... In other words, if we vote for them, and part of their platform was continuing to support the federal funding of abortions - or even possibly to increase federal funding, along with the number of performed abortions - then regardless of whatever we may personally believe or how we may personally differentiate our political stances, the candidate themselves, along with all other politicians and the rest of the world in general are all going to view our "vote" as our personal support for that candidate and his platform;  including viewing our "vote" as our own personal support for that candidate's platform and policies concerning abortion.

....... thus, casting our "vote" for a particular candidate can put us in a position where, whether we actually think that way or not, we can find ourselves publicly placing our personal "stamp of approval" on a practice that I assume we all abhor.


It doesn't matter if we  don't personally view the placing of our vote in that "all or nothing" kind of way;  what matters is that the rest of the world (especially the political world) does view it that way, ... and more importantly  they act accordingly!


..... Thus, our vote is, in fact taken as our own, personal  and publicly declared  "support" for not only that candidate but also for every single item and stance that happens to be on that candidate's platform. 

....... And again, it doesn't matter if we  view it that way, because the simple fact is that they view it that way, and like it or not by giving them our "vote" we empower them to act that way!


Just some stuff to think about.  ......  And BTW, my vote is going to be a "write in" vote for Ron Paul, just in case you were wondering (I am not a Republican, nor do I support McCain - just wanted to clarify that).

[OGIA]

What's wrong with not voting at all? 

[M‡¢ĦÆŁ Ҝ]

What's wrong with not voting at all? 

Nothing at all.  Voting is not compulsory.

[yosemite]

Lets see what other reasons can I give for not ever in my entire life ever even considering voting democrat?

Some of the reasons you list are reason why I will be voting for a Democrat.

1. Gay Marriage.

Gay couples should receive the same rights and benefits as any other couple that wants to get married.

2. Socialistic mindsets.

Socialism isn't always a bad thing.

5. The hatred for the things of God. (It wasnt the republicans that took prayer, the mention of God, the bible, 10 commandments, and morality out of schools..keep that in mind sister.)

There are members of every party that have a "hatred for the things of God."  That's not limited to one single party.   Since the U.S. government was not established upon Christianity, and since fewer than half of the Ten Commandments have any relevance at all to U.S. laws, why should the Ten Commandments be posted in public buildings?  (Actually, if you use the only set of commandments that was ever referred to as The Ten Commandments in the Bible, then none of them have any relevance to U.S. law.)

19. Ok back to their policies............abortion, yes it is an issue.....its murder.

Since I don't believe that abortion is murder, I believe it should be up to the individual to decide whether or not to have one.

21. They are responsible for the tree huggers. You wont find tree huggers in the republican ranks.

On the first point:  If it wasn't for the so called "tree huggers," environmental issues would not be brought to the forefront, and so many environmental disasters would go unchecked.  Places like the Cuyahoga River in Ohio would still be a major fire hazard as well as a public health and safety risk.  On point two:  I work with a very adamant evironmentalist that is also a very staunch Repulican, so you are incorrect on that point.

22. The party that supported slavery. check your history. Lincoln was no democrat.

None of the parties today are what they were 150 years ago, a moot point in my opinion.

28. Anti-war (which means they are wimps with big mouths)

I am against war.  All other means of resolving differences should be exhausted before the U.S. invades another country with guns blazing.

34. Want to sit and talk with our enemies instead of kick their teeth in like Bush has done.

I'll repeat myself:  All other means of resolving differences should be exhausted before the U.S. invades another country with guns blazing.

35. More recently, and some republicans were to blame for this as well......giving rights to the Guantanamo Bay terrorists......I guess citizens havent anymore rights than a terrorist now.

Any one accused of a crime should have the right to a fair trial and counsel.  If not, we are no better than the terrorists that imprison people without due process.

37. flag burners.........you dont see republicans doing that.

If someone wants to burn a flag, they have that right, and I will defend their right to do so.

39. socialized healthcare

It's not necessarily a bad thing.

42. Somehow wiretapping is BAD but tracking people through computer chips, smart cards, and video is ok......hmmmm.

Wiretapping with a properly authorized warrant is not a bad thing.  Wiretapping without a warrant is a bad thing.

45. When our enemies complement someone in our country, that is usually a good sign, that person is no good. Well The world is enthralled with Obama. Even Iran thinks Obama will "improve" relations. Can you not see through that? That makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up and sing.

If an enemy would rather discuss peace options than have the U.S. invade with guns blazing, having someone who would be willing to explore those options would be a good thing.

michael, you are free to vote any way you want and i want to say this, i love ya as a brother should love and dont want to argue but here are my feelings:

first up it is an abomination unto God for homosexuals to even exist!( the activity or sin not the person) to be for a homosexual is an outright sin against the plan of God!!

socialism- study socialism!! most countries who have socialism have failed! when gov. controlls everything you wont see new studies desease controll and cures and medicine.
the individuall assertion in inventions and techknowledgy will cease. people will be scared to open their mouths againt the gov.(that dont sound like the USA to me!!)

i'm sorry but this frustrates me too much to finish the coments, and i agree with bro dad and we should vote our convictions and concious, and if we are christian we will vote for the ones who hold the most regard for the christian veiws we hold.

[Tsalagi]

IMO, both socialism and democracy are failed plans, neither one actually does what it's supposed to.  Socialism devolves into communism, democracy to fascism.

Now we are trying to stuff more socialism into the democratic side of our republic, why?  Socialism carries with it the ills of poorer education (public schools, anyone?), poorer standards of living (in my view, sheer freedom enhances the standard of living more than having someone else pay for my stuff.)

IMO, "socialism" and "democracy" amount to the same thing, since if you ask the pipple, of course they're gonna vote themselves socialized-everything-they-can.  They converge.  Anyone with an eye for history can see that.

I wouldn't mind having a constitutional monarchy.

[Sis]

How to set up a socialistic society.

Turn everyone on to a welfare system.

Convince the people that if you get it free it must be awsome. Give as many "freebies" as possible.

Dumb down education but make students arrogant by getting rid of competition and constant affirmations about how good they are and are doing even if they aren't doing well. 

Constant praise even for small things that should be expected.

Make them believe they deserve the freebies from the government.

They will become stupid and lazy, just what is needed for government to take control and no longer be OF the people, BY the people and FOR the people.

[yosemite]

ya know it aint the war mongers that worrie me but the money mongers. and as far as socialism and fasism,
democracy as far as this country is concerned it has lasted longer than all others and will only fail by the hand of the politicall money mongers and controll freaks!! and yall want to be a part of that?? money mongers and controll freaks?? sounds like a people that lust after the flesh!!

if you are Christian and have a sensitive ear to Gods voice, you will not vote in the majority!! seems like most here agree to this, sorry legendary roxy girl.

                                                                 

                                                                      -yo

[Tsalagi]

ya know it aint the war mongers that worrie me but the money mongers.

Mussolini defined fascism as the tyranny of the corporation.