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Started by taco_harvell, January 17, 2016, 06:26:41 PM

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taco_harvell

After reading/watching ''18 things Trump said about women'' Bernie Snyders or HITBillary would get my vote before him. The muslim degrading of women is almost as bad as Trumps. The guy deserves a mental institution cell not the White  house.

UNLESS you really want to be made mad don't look that article up.

Huckabee was my guy, but he waited 4 years to late.

Carson was 2nd but he isn't just boring he appears to be making some strange point instead of actually wanting to win.

Looking into the rest Cruz stands out as a man of his word. Those calling him liar have a bad habit of ignoring the proof he actually told the truth. As of now he seems to be the only true Conservative with a chance to when.

The issue I keep seeing that bothers me though are the polls behind the polls. SC for instance Trump is seen 80% unfavorable among republicans 90% unfavorable among evangelicals yet he leads in the polls with both. Have we really reached a place where we vote for the person we like least? While the person most favorable is last in the polls. It's crazy!
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Scott

February 19, 2016, 09:02:58 AM #26 Last Edit: February 19, 2016, 09:04:59 AM by Scott
Bro, you cannot make wild accusations and judgments.

QuoteThe guy deserves a mental institution cell not the White  house.

He does? On what legal basis? What medical basis? What Psychiatric basis?  Are you a licensed health Care Professional?  Or are you just making an accusation based on your political bias?

As Christians we must be careful - maybe even more careful than anyone else.

You say that he deserves an mental institution cell?  I've worked in them, I've had to fight patients to the floor so we could sedate them and strap them down.  I've seen people injured and out of work because of these people. I was one of them. A mental patient grabbed me from behind and tried to snap my neck. 

Trump is a showman. 99.0% of what comes out of his mouth is scripted and planned out in advance. He is not a politician and that is why people love him. He is the 2016 version of Ross Perot. 


QuoteLooking into the rest Cruz stands out as a man of his word. Those calling him liar have a bad habit of ignoring the proof he actually told the truth. As of now he seems to be the only true Conservative with a chance to when.

From a personal standpoint, I just don't understand the "Cult of Cruz''.  I do not trust this man. Something does not feel real about him. I cannot explain - it is a gut feeling. Each time I see him or hear him - something feels off and I cannot place it.

He is Canadian and only gave up his Canadian Citizenship just to run for President. Now this run will cause the Country and by default the Government to go through a nasty and lengthy series of court cases, trials, and appeals over his eligibility to run.

At this point he is showing his selfishness and quest for power. He should have filed law suit 2 maybe 3 years ago in Federal Court and appealed up the ladder and get a definitive ruling PRIOR to running. Had he done that, people could respect him. 

Glen Beck is practically anointing this man as the Messiah. Feeding his Ego. Beck is now IMHO a laughing stock over
Cruz.
I am neither Republican nor Democrat - I refuse to vote based on party endorsement. I vote based who agrees with what I believe and this election, I do not know who I can vote for.

We need Condi Rice to step into the ring!  Right now - I don't know of anyone else who would be better. But she is not running.

In the Long run, the USA will lose in this election.


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taco_harvell

A psychiatrist wrote an article after Iowa stating ''Donald Trump Shows Mental Instabilities''. So, yes, I do have professional backing to say Trump needs mental help. I also had family members one of which lived with us for awhile that had major mental issues, so I know somewhat about mental issues as well.

FACT; The IL court has already ruled BOTH of Ted Cruz's parents were US CITIZENS , therefore he had to do nothing to enter the US and gain citizenship. Therefore he is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. They also stated he is completely eligible to be president. Trumps on arguement would disqualify 3 candidates including himself. Trump is Scottish and Rubio is Cuban under Trumps on rules. Notice Trump and his fans are the only ones to bring this up for a reason.

I look at FACTS and those show Cruz to be the most conservative candidate running.

I don't listen to so called ''conservative'' talking heads like Glen Beck, Personally, I think he needs a check-up to. Turned the radio on after the 2012 election and he was having a public nervous break-down.

Lastly, some Tums may help that feeling in your gut.
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taco_harvell

Excerpt from a second article this one in Vanity Fair;

''But you don't need to have met Donald Trump to feel like you know him; even the smallest exposure can make you feel like you've just crossed a large body of water in a small boat with him. Indeed, though narcissistic personality disorder was removed from the most recent issue of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, for somewhat arcane reasons, the traits that have defined the disorder in the past--grandiosity; an expectation that others will recognize one's superiority; a lack of empathy--are writ large in Mr. Trump's behavior.

"He's very easy to diagnose," said psychotherapist Charlotte Prozan. "In the first debate, he talked over people and was domineering. He'll do anything to demean others, like tell Carly Fiorina he doesn't like her looks. 'You're fired!' would certainly come under lack of empathy. And he wants to deport immigrants, but [two of] his wives have been immigrants." Michaelis took a slightly different twist on Trump's desire to deport immigrants: "This man is known for his golf courses, but, with due respect, who does he think works on these golf courses?"

Mr. Trump's bullying nature--taunting Senator John McCain for being captured in Vietnam, or saying Jeb Bush has "low energy"--is in keeping with the narcissistic profile. "In the field we use clusters of personality disorders," Michaelis said. "Narcissism is in cluster B, which means it has similarities with histrionic personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, and antisocial personality disorder. There are similarities between them. Regardless of how you feel about John McCain, the man served--and suffered. Narcissism is an extreme defense against one's own feelings of worthlessness. To degrade people is really part of a cluster-B personality disorder: it's antisocial and shows a lack of remorse for other people. The way to make it O.K. to attack someone verbally, psychologically, or physically is to lower them. That's what he's doing."''.

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Scott

Quote from: taco_harvell on February 19, 2016, 04:18:09 PMA psychiatrist wrote an article after Iowa stating ''Donald Trump Shows Mental Instabilities''. So, yes, I do have professional backing to say Trump needs mental help. I also had family members one of which lived with us for awhile that had major mental issues, so I know somewhat about mental issues as well.

Did he examine Mr. Trump?  Did he do a valid, legal mental health screening?  Or did he write based on the media bias, FB post and venom from both the Donkeys and Elephants?  

Are you stating on this forum that you are a mental health professional?   I worked in the industry, I've been trained as a counselor. I am not an PhD or an MD, I cannot state 100% that anyone needs to be committed.


QuoteFACT; The IL court has already ruled BOTH of Ted Cruz's parents were US CITIZENS , therefore he had to do nothing to enter the US and gain citizenship. Therefore he is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. They also stated he is completely eligible to be president. Trumps on arguement would disqualify 3 candidates including himself. Trump is Scottish and Rubio is Cuban under Trumps on rules. Notice Trump and his fans are the only ones to bring this up for a reason.

Fact - he was born in Canada, to am American Citizen and a Cuban.  

Fact - Beck's Messiah Cruz was NOT born in the USA

Fact - Exceptions have been made in the past for children of American Missionaries working in another country, Children of Military personnel and state department personnel

Fact - Both Rubio and Trump were born in the United States

Fact - Cruz did not bother giving up his Canadian Citizenship until he decided to run for President. I read the
documents.

Fact -  I am not a Trump fan, I bring it up because I do not trust "Becks Messiah"

Fact -  There are several cases in court now and there will be more until the Supreme Court issues a ruling.  This should have been done Prior to his run.   But "Becks Messiah" is all about himself and not the USA. If he truly loved his 2nd country, he would have had this resolved and a ruling issues PRIOR to running. The mere fact that he did not do that shows contempt, lack of respect and selfishness. We have that already with Obummer. We don't need more of that.


QuoteI look at FACTS and those show Cruz to be the most conservative candidate running.

A friend of mine was born in Europe to American Parents. He ran for Congress and was told by the Election Board that he could run for Congress but was NOT eligible to run for President.

Cruz is Canadian and could not be bothered to renounce that until he wanted to be President.  That's a fact Jack.


QuoteI don't listen to so called ''conservative'' talking heads like Glen Beck, Personally, I think he needs a check-up to. Turned the radio on after the 2012 election and he was having a public nervous break-down.


I seldom listen to talk radio any more. Bored with Rush, Hannity and Mormon Beck.

QuoteLastly, some Tums may help that feeling in your gut.

Nope, in 30 some years of dealing with Con Artists, Criminals, Frauds and Thieves - the feeling in my gut has been right more than wrong.

But I get it, you've joined the Cult of Cruz - he has convinced Christians that he is the righteous Candidate. 

The sad thing in Modern Christianity : Politics have suddenly become a fundamental doctrine. It is amazing how many Apostolic Christians are making it so.  Many pastors are jeopardizing their IRS Tax Exempt Status to preach the Republican Party line.

I've had Pastors beg me to go to Republican Party meetings. I tell them that I don't do Amway.

I've seen UPCI people posting that if you don't vote for Cruz, you are voting against the Holy Ghost.

I've Seen UPCI People posting that if you vote for anyone but Cruz, you are not a Christian, that you have sin in your life and you are a reprobate hiding things in your walk  with God.

I've seen UPCI People posting and saying that if you don't vote for Cruz you are a backslider and that you side with the Devil.

This is why I refer to it as the Cult of Cruz.


I've heard UPCI preachers in pulpits (in person and listening ONLINE) refer to W. Bush as Bro. Bush and now Cruz as Bro. Cruz.  Last I checked, neither were. Neither accepted Acts 2:38 for their salvation.

The only National Candidate that has is Sarah Palin  (see below)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGOu-X76rR0


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taco_harvell

You've always liked the conspiracies. I'll agree to disagree, shake hands and walk away. Going farther does neither of us any good.
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Scott

Quote from: taco_harvell on February 19, 2016, 08:52:00 PMYou've always liked the conspiracies. I'll agree to disagree, shake hands and walk away. Going farther does neither of us any good.

What conspiracy? I never suggested a Conspiracy.

This election cycle has been the worst I've seen in years. Too many people making it about religion and using emotional manipulation to get their way. Too many pastors and minsters are using Spiritual manipulation and will cost their churches and organizations to start losing their tax exempt status. 

For the last 12 months I've read more on Social Media from Apostolic Christians about Trump, Bernie, Hillary and ''Becks Messiah'' than I have about Revival and seeing souls saved. Between now and the Election it will only get worse.

Our Salvation is in Jesus Christ, not a political figure seeking a higher office. Not a political figure who puts out millions of dollars to earn $400k Per year with hopes of a multi million dollar book deal 4 years later.

Not one of these men and women truly care about the people of the United States of America. They are pandering to the masses simply to earn our votes. With the Exception of Comrade Obummer, no matter who is elected - they generally move to the political middle ground.   Clinton was Fiscally conservative, W. was fiscally liberal. Clinton and Obummer loved to use the Military to prove they were not afraid, Bush landed a jet on an Air Craft Carrier to show he was macho.  Clinton Jogged, Bush cleared brush on the ranch and Obummer played Hoops. It is all about appearances. Bush tossed out a baseball at a baseball game and hit the strike zone, Obummer could not find home plate.

The last president that really and truly loved this country and put it above political ambition was best pals with a monkey.
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taco_harvell

I'll agree to disagree, shake hands and walk away. Going farther does neither of us any good.
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Scott

And yes for the record I am Very cynical. 

30+ years of legal investigations, bail bonds work and Credit Risk Management will do that to you.

Guns shoved in your face, knives pulled on you, street gangs kicking the snot out of you, living with death threats, having the police tap your line for months on end to find out who is trying to kill you,  being held hostage by a murderer, working for a man for years - only to find out he was a low level mobster and being cheated by close friends will also do that to you.

After a while, you just don't believe much of what people say to you - especially politicians and sports stars. (I've had to sue too many of both over the years).

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Tsalagi

Can't trust a man who has that much money but whose hair (still) looks like a small dead animal.  Like he parts it with a brickbat.  Buy a haircut.  Or a dozen salons, or something.  I know it's a carefully crafted bit of misdirection, but it still annoys me.

Assuredbyfaith

Quote from: Scott on January 25, 2016, 09:36:07 PM
Quote from: Nelle on January 25, 2016, 06:47:44 PMIs it possible that he used the bankruptcy to further himself/the business empire? I know we traditionally feel/look on bankruptcy as failure, but many businesses (and the people within them) use them almost as a business strategy.


It was a Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Reorganization, not the same as traditional bankruptcy.  Chapter 11 is a way to save a business during tough times. Resorts and casinos often fail because they are a risky business.  

Just because it was stated to be chapter 11; doesn't mean he didn't abuse the use of it! Especially when he seems to use this way out quite often.

The man has imperialistic ideas; and no class....

Being a business man is not enough to recommend someone....especially, if your all talk.

Not that I think any of them are a good choice....

Proverbs 4:23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

Assuredbyfaith

February 26, 2016, 02:11:25 PM #36 Last Edit: February 26, 2016, 08:03:59 PM by Assuredbyfaith
I would like to vote for none of the above... However, I have to do my part! The rest is in God's will....humanity will continue on this path till judgement day!
Proverbs 4:23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

Scott

 :copcar:  Mod note :copcar:

Resize your avatar, it is hard to read you posts. Just reduce it by 25%


QuoteJust because it was stated to be chapter 11; doesn't mean he didn't abuse the use of it! Especially when he seems to use this way out quite often.



I will just address the bankruptcy part.  I read the cases and here is the simple bottom line that many people don't hear and the pundits don't tell.  He was an investor in these companies and these represented a mere fraction of his entire portfolio.  He often stipulates when investing into a business that his name needs to be in there somewhere or he needs a seat on the board. 

I worked in Credit for years, our law office investigated Chapter 11's, 13's and 7's to make sure they were legal.

A chapter 11 is simply a business reorganization.  In many cases it is forced on the business by the creditors.  They can form a creditors committee and then force a business into an 11 to fix problems.

In the case of his 4 Chapter 11's.  You must understand that his only Bankruptcies are the casino and resort industry.  Businesses that he did not start, he was an investor. An industry noted for its high failure rate.  Yet they want to just his business skills on that? Kinda weird in a way.

We dealt with guys like this all the time, they are gambler investors. They invest lots of money into lots of businesses, sometimes they win, sometimes they lose.  He has 4 major losses over his entire career, yet people want to focus on that.

It reminds me of a time that I went into an office for a company I worked at. In 6 months I took the credit delinquency rate from 27% down to less than 3%.  Below the industry average. I was called in by  home office creep who wanted to focus on 4 small balance accounts that he felt was not handled correctly. Negating my victory and focusing on 4 minor failures.  *sigh*



Yes he is a jerk. Yes he is Rude. But he is a successful business man.
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Assuredbyfaith

February 26, 2016, 07:50:37 PM #38 Last Edit: February 26, 2016, 07:59:33 PM by Assuredbyfaith
I understand the point you have about the therefore, and why of his bankruptcies! With the above details; it makes it easier to understand some of his business methods and dealings. However, with that image now added to my mind... A business man/ "Gambler" still doesn't make for a good leader.

Honestly, they are all classless; and randomly promising things they will never be able to follow through on...playing the game!

Unfortunately, we are the sacrificial pieces on the board.
Proverbs 4:23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

Assuredbyfaith

Quote from: Scott on February 26, 2016, 07:02:05 PM:copcar:  Mod note :copcar:

Resize your avatar, it is hard to read you posts. Just reduce it by 25%


I cut my avatar down in size... Not sure it worked? I'm on my phone; so I don't see any avatar; unless I check the profiles.
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SippinTea

Quote from: Assuredbyfaith on February 26, 2016, 08:10:53 PMI cut my avatar down in size... Not sure it worked? I'm on my phone; so I don't see any avatar; unless I check the profiles.

It's perfect. Whatever you did worked. :)

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Scott

Quote from: Assuredbyfaith on February 26, 2016, 07:50:37 PMI understand the point you have about the therefore, and why of his bankruptcies! With the above details; it makes it easier to understand some of his business methods and dealings. However, with that image now added to my mind... A business man/ "Gambler" still doesn't make for a good leader.

Honestly, they are all classless; and randomly promising things they will never be able to follow through on...playing the game!

Unfortunately, we are the sacrificial pieces on the board.


Don't believe what comes out of their mouths. They are all lying.

Every successful businessman is a gambler to some extent.
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Niki

Quote from: taco_harvell on January 17, 2016, 06:26:41 PMCan you vote for Donald trump knowing he is pro-choice?

If you can't in the primary, what's different in the general election?

Absolutely not. And not just because he's pro-choice. If he wins, I will vote for a third party candidate.
When you say "Jesus" you've said everything.

Scott

The man issue is that there clearly is not a viable choice. Each of the candidates running are negative and lying. PERIOD!

We are beyond litmus tests even. Pro Choice?  You mean Pro Abortion. The problem is that Abortion is the law and wrong. However no one is going to change it for many years if at all.  Abortion issues will be resolved in the Supreme Court, no matter who the president is or what he believes.

Our main issues are Safety and Economy.  None of the idiots can provide either.
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Lynx

So... how 'bout that Bernie Sanders, eh?
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