If you want to debate or argue about Christmas, it has to be limited to this thread. Any arguments / debates etc.. outside this thread will be deleted.
Oh good. I've seen three running threads on the same thing around the holidays in some forums.
I'll save a lot of time and list all the taglines people like to use:
Christmas trees are pagan!
Christ wasn't even born on December 25th!
Santa is an anagram of Satan!
<insert other "Christmas is anti-christian" comments here>!
QuoteChristmas trees are pagan!
No one has ever proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt. It is pure speculation and the quoted scripture is taken out of context.
QuoteChrist wasn't even born on December 25th!
No one ever said he was
QuoteSanta is an anagram of Satan!
But it IS Spanish for Saint - Santa Maria, Santa Clara, Santa Domingo, Santa Pedro, Santa Paolo
Thank you. There, we got those out of the way. What's next on the list? I remember there were a few others that people kept hollering about, but can't remember what they were.
Quote from: Scott on November 23, 2011, 07:14:12 AM
QuoteChristmas trees are pagan!
No one has ever proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt. It is pure speculation and the quoted scripture is taken out of context.
I've always thought that that scripture (Jeremiah 10:2) was more in keeping with totem poles, that kinda thing that the natives did. But,having said that, we've never had a tree in my life, having been raised VERY conservative pentecost, and we'll not have one this year. Not calling anyone sinful for having one, but 1) it's one less thing for me to deal with and 2) Not having one is one more link to the way I was raised, and the "old path" that I feel seems to be more diluted in some ways. If that makes sense. :thumbsup2:
Roscoe: Totem Poles or Idols made from wood.
I can live without a tree, nothing against them - I guess it is that growing up we always decorated my grandmothers house and seldom decorated our house . I think it was because we had a big party on a weeknight and decorated her house and it was boring to decorate ours. Once in a while we put up a tree.
This year our dog is too goofy, he was scared last year - this year he might attack it.
Quote from: Scott on November 23, 2011, 05:21:12 PM
Roscoe: Totem Poles or Idols made from wood.
I can live without a tree, nothing against them - I guess it is that growing up we always decorated my grandmothers house and seldom decorated our house . I think it was because we had a big party on a weeknight and decorated her house and it was boring to decorate ours. Once in a while we put up a tree.
This year our dog is too goofy, he was scared last year - this year he might attack it.
I shudder to imagine what our chihuahu would do to a sparkly lighted tree.....I have enough issues with him unrolling the entire roll of tp from the bathroom. :laughhard:
I think you guys covered it! No need to debate now. ☺
We have a whole tradition thing going. Some people go shopping on black Friday before the crack of dawn. Some people watch football. We? We go cut down or buy a real tree and the adventure begins. We have yet to get a tree that fits or doesn't have a critter hiding in it. One year we had a bunch of stick bugs or praying mantis'. We go pick out an ornament that represents a family memory from that year. We have the going to Colorado, going to Seattle and this year... moving to a real house with a big yard. Not sure what our ornament will be. Our Christmases have not been remembered by the presents we got but the funny story of getting a tree that year and who was at Christmas. We also always have a nativity scene and there is no angel on top of the tree but a star that we enjoy talking about in Christ's birth story.
We NEVER sing O' Tanenbaum. We do however enjoy family devotion a little extra by the decorated tree.
I kind of look at it as the same thing as putting up streamers and balloons for people's birthdays. We're just celebrating and the season's characteristics dictate how we do that. Evergreens are the only thing that look pretty this time of year. I wouldn't be against doing a palm tree if we were tropic natives.
I'm so over the whole Santa thing. It used to really irritate me. But I will not lie to my kids and have no problem with them pretending. I don't care what other people do with theirs. I try to teach my kids tact, which I lack big time. I do not feel one oz. of shame or regret though of Hannah in her tot years answering or telling kids that there is no Santa. I don't care anymore who's offended... LOL She has more wisdom now but it is still a challenge when kids come up and ask her if she believes or if there is one. :roll:
I celebrate and we discuss both Christ's birth and ressurection throughout the year so I don't care what day it actually occured. It's not the day, every day belongs to the Lord, it's the GOD part of the story that counts. I suppose for people who only celebrate once a year it might be a bigger deal for them to get the day right. :roll:
The world's not going to get any more Christian so it's not like getting irritated at the world and how they twist it is going to help. We have to represent what is profitable & true so there continues to be a witness.
What about yule logs? Yule logs are pagan!! LOL Just wanted to add to the discussion.
If you feel a conviction about it, then you shouldn't do it, no matter what anyone else thinks.
BOL! Scott, you just had to do that, didn't you. *grin*
Quote from: The Purple Fuzzy on November 23, 2011, 07:39:03 PM
If you feel a conviction about it, then you shouldn't do it, no matter what anyone else thinks.
Yep. Because that's what makes it a personal conviction.
It's like any other personal conviction though... people tend to try to make it a heaven or hell issue and do away with the "personal" part of the equation. *shrug*
:beret:
Quote from: SippinTea on November 23, 2011, 09:14:33 PM
It's like any other personal conviction though... people tend to try to make it a heaven or hell issue and do away with the "personal" part of the equation. *shrug*
:beret:
Precisely. A lot of people assume that because they have a conviction about something, it is EVIL and should be avoided. Like facial hair - all the men in my church lose their beards and mustaches a few weeks after they start coming. Not because the pastor preaches against it (he doesn't) but because... and I've asked a few of them... they just feel they should get rid of it. But in a different area it would be fine, and none of the men in the church in that different area have a conviction about it.
About Christmas trees in particular, I don't give a flying flitter either way. I don't personally want to bother with them because I don't think they add anything to my family's get-together and it's a lot of hassle. I don't have a conviction about it though - I'm just lazy. :P
For the record, the issues I mentioned in my first post in this thread were not my personal arguments. They were issues I have seen many people raising in the past, many times per issue. :-/ So I thought I'd clear the deck and get them all out of the way first. :cool:
On Christmas morning after we sacrifice a small animal to the Christmas tree we open presents if the tree accepts the offering.
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Actually our Christmas Tradition is simple: If we are at home ..
1.) My son's exchange a gift on Christmas eve
2.) We eat home made chili or Homemade Pizza on Christmas Eve
3.) We watch a Christmas Movie
Christmas day everyone sleeps until they decide to get up and we gather around as a family and read Luke Chapter 2 before opening gifts and then breakfast. The rest of the day is free day and we eat dinner around 5pm
Hmmm.... I don't see my favorite Christmas debate listed. Mine is on "How old was Jesus when the wise men came to him?"
LOL
Just had to add a (yule) log to the fire.
They didn't come on Christmas and he wasn't a baby.
As far as I'm aware, the only yule logs I've heard of in Australia are cakes - probably because it's usually around 30C around Christmas over here - and therfore proper yule logs wouldn't be thought of, because no one in their right mind would have an open fire going around that time of year - not even a campfire, because it would be bushfire season.
It really depends. Personally I don't make a big fuss about getting the day right and think that people who make a big deal about it are being argumentative and looking for a fight....or at the very least an argument. :roll: We celebrate Christ's birth on Dec 25th regardless oof the fact that the date's wrong.
Sometimes we put up a tree, a couple of times we hung a bunch of stars on a bunch of painted twisted willow, and once we just had a Nativity scene. *srugs* I don't think it's pagan, it would be a whole lot less of a hassle to not put one up, but it does add to the Christmassy ambiance.
Thank you for engaging the debate Scott. Now I can continue.
I do believe he was a baby.
Why?
Luke 2:21 "And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb."
Why was he circumcised on the 8th day? Because God commanded all males to be circumcised on the 8th day (Leviticus 12:3).
Hmmm... what else is commanded. Oh yes, the purification of the woman who gave birth...
According to Leviticus 12:4 "And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying three and thirty days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled.
When the 33 day separation is added to the 7 days of uncleanness in Leviticus 12:2, it comes out to 40 days.
So, it takes 40 days for the women to be considered whole and clean after giving birth to a male child.
With that thought, let us return again to Luke.
In Luke 2:22-23 it states, "And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord; (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeith the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;)
So, Mary, Joseph, and Jesus all traveled about 4.3 miles to Jerusalem. The rest of the verses in Luke chapter two, up to verse 38, talk about the sacrifice they made and the two witnesses (Simeon and Anna) who spoke of who he was (confirmation).
So, Nazareth is 93.8 miles away. Surely it would be easier to go back to Bethlehem. Did they? What do the scriptures say?
In Luke 2:39-40 it states, "And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth. And the child grew, and waxed strong in the spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him."
Seems to me that after 40 days Jesus was no longer in Bethlehem.
So, why did the scriptures say the wise men came to a house, not a manger?
So, why did the scriptures refer to Jesus as a child and not a baby?
So, why did King Herod want to kill all the kids two years old and younger?
For these answers it may help to look more into human nature since the scriptures, to my reading, do not address them directly.
We know the wise men saw the star where they resided in the East (Persia?). Assuming a tight schedule we can figure it took them a few weeks of reading and researching to determine what the star meant. Then they had to get together their goods, their caravan, etc.and head across the desert. Let's say, all total, from the first sighting of the star until they actually stook in Herod's presence, it took one year.
The distance of travel alone and the fact they saw it in their homeland shows the star showed up long before Jesus actual birth.
When they arrive in Israel, they head to see King Herod. After all, he should know what is going on right?
King Herod consulted the chief priests and scribes he learned that the child was born in Bethlehem and sent the wise men their with the instructions to come back and let him know where the child was.
Going by the star, it was probably assumed that they were not looking for a baby, but a child of 9 months to 1 year old.
Now, as we know, the wise men did find him in a house, not a manger, and being warned of God in a dream not to to return to Herod, returned to their own country another way.
Why a house and not a manger? Remember, Mary could not move. It was her time of purification. In addition, after all the commotion (shepherds, stories of angels proclimations, etc), I doubt if the manager of the inn would let his new found celebrity stay in a manger. Once the crowds were gone from the taxing and returned to their own homes, he probably invited them into his own home to stay, or someone else did so.
Now back to Herod. Herod finally realized the wise men are not coming back. Not only were they not coming back, but in Herod's mind their very actions mocked him (Matthew 2:16).
Think of Herod's mindset. Here is a man who has no problem killing children to protect his position. Is he going to be mindful of accuracy in age or location? In verse 16 it states he did not limit the killing to Bethlehem alone, but to all the coasts thereof.
Why? He was angry. He was very angry. The scriptures use the term "wroth".
So, lets look at the mindset again. He has diligently inquired of the wise men as to when they saw the star. He probably learns that it was 9 months to a year before. He is probably one of these people that assumes "all people lie" and so, now that he feels he has been mocked, also feels he has been lied to. So, to make sure he gets the child, he doubles the time (make sure they get him... kill all two years of age or younger) and the area (not just Bethlehem, but all the coast there of in case they are in a rural area of Bethlehem).
Personally, from my reading and understanding, I feel the wise men saw him in a house before Mary's forty days of cleansing and purification were over (but after the eight days and his circumcision). By the time Herod realized what had happened, they, according to the scriptures quoted above, had already been to Jerusalem and were on their way home to Nazareth.
Now, from a logic instead of reasoning standpoint, consider this.
Nazareth is where their home was, where their family (support group) was, where Joseph's tools of his trade and ability to make a living were. Why hang out in Bethlehem for two years?
Of course, there is still one last scripture to address - Matthew 2:13.
The fact that Joseph, Mary, and Jesus went to Jerusalem after the days of her purification were over and then on the Nazareth after that is scripture (Luke chapter two).
So how do we coincide that with Matthew 2:13 that states that after they departed (this scripture follows verse 12 where the wise men are said to depart back to their own country) that Joseph was told in a dream by the Lord to flee to Egypt because Herod is going to seek the young child to destroy him?
If the "They" in verse 13 refers to the wise men, then that negates the scriptures in Luke chapter two about them returning to Nazareth after going to Jerusalem.
But, if the "They" refers to after Joseph, Mary, and Jesus had departed Bethelem (and were now safely on their way back in Nazareth) the story comes together. Remember Herod's mindset. I don't believe this man was content with the Bethlehem area. I believe this man probably became paranoid and started looking elsewhere as well. Just a personal opinion.
Anyway, that is my diagnosis of the situation. Opposing viewpoints are welcome. Just remember, this is for fun and enlightenment. Knowing when the wise men met Jesus in NOT a heaven or hell issue to get bent out of shape over.
A two year old is not a baby, it is in fact a toddler or a holy terror as most two year olds are. One of my kids at age two shoved a piece of cinnamon candy up his nose around Christmas and on New Years Day one child swallowed a Safety pin and we spent the day in the Hospital E.R.
Quote from: Scott on November 23, 2011, 11:10:49 PM
On Christmas morning after we sacrifice a small animal to the Christmas tree we open presents if the tree accepts the offering.
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Actually our Christmas Tradition is simple: If we are at home ..
1.) My son's exchange a gift on Christmas eve
2.) We eat home made chili or Homemade Pizza on Christmas Eve
3.) We watch a Christmas Movie
Christmas day everyone sleeps until they decide to get up and we gather around as a family and read Luke Chapter 2 before opening gifts and then breakfast. The rest of the day is free day and we eat dinner around 5pm
and here I was waiting for the "sitting under a bridge and act like homeless people and eat pie"
*shrug*
Our Tradition is simple but works for us.
The funny thing is, my kids never ever woke up ealy on Christmas morning. I'd be up reading and listening to music hours before they'd haul their carcasses out of bed. A friend of mine stopped by one Christmas day around 1pm to drop off a couple of gifts and was surprised that my boys had just got out of bed.
Quote from: sunlight on November 28, 2011, 06:18:05 PM
and here I was waiting for the "sitting under a bridge and act like homeless people and eat pie"
Well we do hit the street corners later holding our " Stranded while Traveling - anything will help" signs.
lol!
Quote from: sunlight on November 28, 2011, 06:27:33 PM
lol!
Last year we passed a guy, maybe 28 - 30 years old holding a "Disabled / Homeless Viet Nam Vet" Sign and there is a guy who stands near a McDonalds holding a sign that says "Victim of the New World Order" while a mile or two the other direction if you get there at the right time, you can see shift change. The hand off signs.
Quote from: SippinTea on November 23, 2011, 09:14:33 PM
BOL! Scott, you just had to do that, didn't you. *grin*
Quote from: The Purple Fuzzy on November 23, 2011, 07:39:03 PM
If you feel a conviction about it, then you shouldn't do it, no matter what anyone else thinks.
Yep. Because that's what makes it a personal conviction.
It's like any other personal conviction though... people tend to try to make it a heaven or hell issue and do away with the "personal" part of the equation. *shrug*
well, its just my oppinion that if its contradictictory to the bible then you shouldnt do it, wether it personally convicts you or not.. Although the word should convict us, even when it doesnt we should still try to live as sanctified as possible.. With that said i may go gome and burn moms christmas tree lol jk
Compared to previous Christmas debate threads, this one has been a bit of a disappointment. We didn't even get to the part where someone says we should boycott all stores that say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas." :-\
Oh well. Maybe we can get someone more argumentative in here by next year's holiday season.
If you celebrate Christmas you are morons and lunatics. I find that celebrants are just looking for hand outs, free food and paid time off work. Just get back to work and quit bothering us with your blathering away about Christmas. Then our precious Administrator and his lackey staff wouldn't have to worry about Christmas debates.
Well. Your new profile picture makes you look almost dignified, NezzerDear. It's really too bad we all know you're not.
Now then... about that Christmas stuff...
MERRY CHRISTMAS, EBENEZER SCROOGE!! :bigcheese:
:beret:
*sigh*
And so it starts................
Quote from: Scott on November 29, 2011, 10:08:32 PM
*sigh*
And so it starts................
My thoughts exactly Christmas is starting and all the Christmas stupidity is here. Bah!
Scrooge you need a haircut, that aint holiness
lol jk
You need to get off the internet and get some work done.
Quote from: Roscoe on November 23, 2011, 12:41:46 PM
Quote from: Scott on November 23, 2011, 07:14:12 AM
QuoteChristmas trees are pagan!
No one has ever proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt. It is pure speculation and the quoted scripture is taken out of context.
I've always thought that that scripture (Jeremiah 10:2) was more in keeping with totem poles, that kinda thing that the natives did. But,having said that, we've never had a tree in my life, having been raised VERY conservative pentecost, and we'll not have one this year. Not calling anyone sinful for having one, but 1) it's one less thing for me to deal with and 2) Not having one is one more link to the way I was raised, and the "old path" that I feel seems to be more diluted in some ways. If that makes sense. :thumbsup2:
I feel pretty much the same way. Our church has had a pastor that pastored 25 years, another for 23 years, and one for 14 years. They did not celebrate. They did not condemn to hell others who did, but always hoped and prayed that others would see what they did. All those years and many decided they wanted to celebrate Christmas. The undercurrent made things very uncomfortable. We now have a pastor who celebrates.
I do not have a problem with charity at Christmas time, extra time with family, the good feeling associated with giving, etc. I struggle BIG time with the tree. I get nauseated and feel my face flush at the mention of someone joking about me getting a Christmas tree. I have never felt anything Spiritual associated with a Christmas tree. (NOTE: I did say "feel" based on my emotions rather than Bible). Actually, from a child-like viewpoint, it is the complete opposite. As soon as someone backslid from our church, they put on more makeup than those without an Apostolic background, cut their hair (women that is), and put up a Christmas tree at Christmas time.
I suppose the majority of it is that I grew up under someone that had those convictions. However, I prayed that my pastor's convictions (mostly unrelated to the topic at hand) would become my own. For the most part, they have.
I think sometimes we get caught up on what's not really the problem. I don't believe for a minute that someone is going to be lost because they celebrated Christmas, put up a tree, etc....though they may be lost. I have a friend living with a guy to whom she is not married. This man overheard her bragging on the phone about her plans of having the biggest tree in her new town and informed her he had a conviction against a Christmas tree. :-\ She told this thinking I would be proud? I was so confused.
That's like my aunt deciding to go through with an affair, going to a hotel with the guy, and starting to cry with conviction because he turned on the TV. (really happened)
Well that's just straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel.
Quote from: Chseeads on December 16, 2011, 04:06:28 AM
Well that's just straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel.
You're telling me!!!!
QuoteThat's like my aunt deciding to go through with an affair, going to a hotel with the guy, and starting to cry with conviction because he turned on the TV. (really happened)
Yeah, after all the TV is far worse than the affair! :roll:
I knew men who were so worried about the reputation of the church that they stood at the bottom of the stairs with a clipboard and watched the women coming down the stairs to see whose dresses and skirts were holy and whose showed too much.
It would be funny except that these idiots were sincere and honestly thought they were doing God's work.
Quote from: Scott on December 16, 2011, 06:42:07 AM
QuoteThat's like my aunt deciding to go through with an affair, going to a hotel with the guy, and starting to cry with conviction because he turned on the TV. (really happened)
Yeah, after all the TV is far worse than the affair! :roll:
:o
Like..."Don't fornicate; it might lead to dancing."
I have never met someone that didn't do trees that's more annointed than the ones that do. If it was a valid principle based on scripture in context rather than personal conviction that's be something to pay attention to, for me.
*pot stirring* lol
*seasoning for the stirred pot*
Only to a point do I agree with you. The Word may not tell His bride the names of the movies to not watch, but He does tell her to put no evil before her eyes.
He may not command her to not moon people with toe knuckles, knobby knees, elbows, gluteus maximus, or mammary glands; but He did tell His betrothed to be wholesome and modest.
Leviticus 26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image,...
Deuteronomy 29:17 ...their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold,...
2 Chronicles 15:16 ...because she had made an idol in a grove...(a tree not necessarily being the idol itself)
Deuteronomy 12:2, 1 Kings 14:23, 2 Kings 16:4, 2 Kings 17:10, and every other scripture where "green tree" was mentioned with the exception of Ezekiel destroying them as a sign and one use in the New Testament I think...(all with some wording variation)...served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree:...
The encyclopedia says that the origin of the Christmas tree was 'probably developed in medieval Germany from the "Paradise Tree," a type of evergreen. This tree, decorated with red apples, was used in a popular Christmas play about Adam and Eve.' (the World Book Encyclopedia C-CH, Volume 3. Pg 415. Column 1. Paragraph 5) It goes on to say that the green now "represents the continuance of life through the winter and the Christian belief in eternal life through Christ." It also continues that "red symbolizes the blood that Jesus shed at His Crucifixion. (not so bad)
The Christmas play of the Garden of Eden sin scene? Celebrating the separation of man from God?
Reading the Bible alone leaves me feeling convicted against the green tree decked with silver and gold without ever reading from non-biblical resources. There are just to many references to idolatry that parallels this particular Christmas ritual. This "conviction" is my conviction, but it is Biblically based.
*grin*
Romans 14:14
I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
*edited when seen your next post.
YES! I love that scripture for these subjects and EXACTLY where I'm coming from.
I can see where your coming from and if I worshipped the tree at all, I could see it's validity *for me.* It is equal to me as lillies at Easter, fresh flowers in a vase, harvest foods and pumpkins at Thanksgiving. I think the tree is given far too much weight like many things.
Oh and my pastor taught on something once, I need to go look it up. It was the dictation of where the priests' robes were to cover. From the shoulders to the knees. I appreciate that example, I don't toe the line mind you but I am glad for a bit more than just the modesty and gender scriptures. Gives it a bit more credence for me that I don't have to over compensate for what may be percieved as God's lack of specification.
I do appreciate those scriptures you listed. I think some do get carried away and those scriptures help us have clarity. And all convictions need to have some Biblical support. All of them I believe can be covered under the precious book of Galations and 1 Cor.6 & 10. I'm not sure there is such thing as too much sacrifice if we are balanced in our entire relationship with Jesus. I was being a little onrey cause I totally respect people's convicitions on trees. Nathan (dh) didn't grow up with trees but has no conviction whatsoever about them. And I also have a faceless nativity! To me it's the same as so many churches having a cross, which my church does not. ☺ It's interesting to me the various different perceptions and yet I really think we are on the same page. To never even be in danger of making something more or equal to submission and love for God. I could tell you how I can't bring myself to even consider rap music, even by Apostolics, as something I'd listen to. But that reflects more the connotation it's had in my upbringing than the style itself.
It is much like how will disapprove of interacial marriage based on the OT that says for Israel to not marry the heathen. But the context is the heathen part not the skin color part. ☺ I see the scripture saying to not worship the tree or make it a sacrificial display unto what would be demonic "gods." Not the tree itself.
Mt.Dew! You made this into a real discussion! I love it. I love a good Bible discussion!
*curtsy*
Quote from: MellowYellow on December 16, 2011, 03:14:35 PM
Oh and my pastor taught on something once, I need to go look it up. It was the dictation of where the priests' robes were to cover. From the shoulders to the knees. I appreciate that example, I don't toe the line mind you but I am glad for a bit more than just the modesty and gender scriptures. Gives it a bit more credence for me that I don't have to over compensate for what may be percieved as God's lack of specification.
Cover those knobby knees sticking out from your short-robed skirt! *hides from Scott* ...*pleads.."Scott, it wasn't standards...it was just...it was just...uh...her bony joints were making me nauseated!"*
Quote from: MellowYellow on December 16, 2011, 03:14:35 PM
It is much like how will disapprove of interacial marriage based on the OT that says for Israel to not marry the heathen. But the context is the heathen part not the skin color part. I see the scripture saying to not worship the tree or make it a sacrificial display unto what would be demonic "gods." Not the tree itself.
Mt.Dew! You made this into a real discussion! I love it. I love a good Bible discussion!
Sorry, tree cut down, stood up in home, ornaments hung on it, gifts placed beneath....still bothers me...though beautiful. :bigcheese:
NOTE: this has become thread "Kneely Trees". :laughhard:
Nah... "Knobby knees and standing trees." :thumbsup2:
Quote from: Mountain Dew on December 16, 2011, 04:08:40 PM
Quote from: MellowYellow on December 16, 2011, 03:14:35 PM
Oh and my pastor taught on something once, I need to go look it up. It was the dictation of where the priests' robes were to cover. From the shoulders to the knees. I appreciate that example, I don't toe the line mind you but I am glad for a bit more than just the modesty and gender scriptures. Gives it a bit more credence for me that I don't have to over compensate for what may be percieved as God's lack of specification.
Cover those knobby knees sticking out from your short-robed skirt! *hides from Scott* ...*pleads.."Scott, it wasn't standards...it was just...it was just...uh...her bony joints were making me nauseated!"*
Quote from: MellowYellow on December 16, 2011, 03:14:35 PM
It is much like how will disapprove of interacial marriage based on the OT that says for Israel to not marry the heathen. But the context is the heathen part not the skin color part. I see the scripture saying to not worship the tree or make it a sacrificial display unto what would be demonic "gods." Not the tree itself.
Mt.Dew! You made this into a real discussion! I love it. I love a good Bible discussion!
Sorry, tree cut down, stood up in home, ornaments hung on it, gifts placed beneath....still bothers me...though beautiful. :bigcheese:
Dang, Dewy- you sure you weren't raised in the same church as me? :o Remind me to never debate you. You're handier at pulling scriptures than I am.
Quote from: Psalm_97 on December 16, 2011, 04:23:37 PM
Nah... "Knobby knees and standing trees." :thumbsup2:
Even better!!! :laughhard:
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nobody gets to see my knees. or my armpits. :nono: Though I appreciate the assumed knobbiness rather than the actual stuffed-like-a-sausage-link look.
Quote from: MellowYellow on December 16, 2011, 04:43:10 PM
nobody gets to see my knees. or my armpits. :nono: Though I appreciate the assumed knobbiness rather than the actual stuffed-like-a-sausage-link look.
Well, if you would shave those pit's you wouldn't be so ashamed of them...
:ugly:
I personally bow to trees every year at Christmas...
I bow down, get a present, and give it to someone, then bow down, get another present, and pass it to someone...
MtDewy...hurry up and post already.
Boy, we are waiting like forever on you... *cough*
Quote from: Mountain Dew on December 16, 2011, 04:08:40 PMSorry, tree cut down, stood up in home, ornaments hung on it, gifts placed beneath....still bothers me...though beautiful. :bigcheese:
No apology necessary. ☺ I feel the same exact about some other things that can't be brought up on here. And I love that you can say it. Like Paul said, some can only handle eating herbs for fear of that devil infused meat sacrificed to idols... :P
If you use a fake tree, is it ok?
Quote from: MellowYellow on December 16, 2011, 04:53:29 PM
Quote from: Mountain Dew on December 16, 2011, 04:08:40 PMSorry, tree cut down, stood up in home, ornaments hung on it, gifts placed beneath....still bothers me...though beautiful. :bigcheese:
No apology necessary. ☺ I feel the same exact about some other things that can't be brought up on here. And I love that you can say it. Like Paul said, some can only handle eating herbs for fear of that devil infused meat sacrificed to idols... :P
Anyone else notice that Mellow Yellow keeps going back to herbs? :couch: :freaky2:
Quote from: minnesota68 on December 16, 2011, 04:43:54 PM
Quote from: MellowYellow on December 16, 2011, 04:43:10 PM
nobody gets to see my knees. or my armpits. :nono: Though I appreciate the assumed knobbiness rather than the actual stuffed-like-a-sausage-link look.
Well, if you would shave those pit's you wouldn't be so ashamed of them...
:ugly:
I personally bow to trees every year at Christmas...
I bow down, get a present, and give it to someone, then bow down, get another present, and pass it to someone...
Admission is the first step to recovery. :hypocrite:
Quote from: Mountain Dew on December 16, 2011, 05:09:28 PM
Quote from: minnesota68 on December 16, 2011, 04:43:54 PM
Quote from: MellowYellow on December 16, 2011, 04:43:10 PM
nobody gets to see my knees. or my armpits. :nono: Though I appreciate the assumed knobbiness rather than the actual stuffed-like-a-sausage-link look.
Well, if you would shave those pit's you wouldn't be so ashamed of them...
:ugly:
I personally bow to trees every year at Christmas...
I bow down, get a present, and give it to someone, then bow down, get another present, and pass it to someone...
Admission is the first step to recovery. :hypocrite:
Since he's already on his knees bowing, seems only logical that he repent while he's there. :P
Since you are so judgmental about my spiritual (and Christmas tree supporting) status, you need to repent.
Quote from: minnesota68 on December 16, 2011, 05:24:57 PM
Since you are so judgmental about my spiritual (and Christmas tree supporting) status, you need to repent.
Matthew 7:16...."Ye shall know them by their fruits".....And brother, thou art surely a fruit.... :laughhard:
And I ain't seeing "judge others" listed as a fruit of the spirit.
Quote from: minnesota68 on December 16, 2011, 05:33:25 PM
And I ain't seeing "judge others" listed as a fruit of the spirit.
True. But....1 John 4:1...."try the spirits to see if they are of God"... :hypocrite:
I didnt see...CHOCOLATE GRAVY LISTED IN THE BIBLE!!!!
Quote from: Roscoe on December 16, 2011, 05:36:04 PMTrue. But....1 John 4:1...."try the spirits to see if they are of God"... :hypocrite:
Is that what you tell yourself before you indulge in your "cold medicine?" I think the CHOCOLATE GRAVY is affecting your sence.
I think he indulges on "cold medicine" and "CHOCOLATE GRAVY"...
Quote from: MellowYellow on December 16, 2011, 05:48:09 PM
Quote from: Roscoe on December 16, 2011, 05:36:04 PMTrue. But....1 John 4:1...."try the spirits to see if they are of God"... :hypocrite:
Is that what you tell yourself before you indulge in your "cold medicine?" I think the CHOCOLATE GRAVY is affecting your sence.
Hey- I use my version of spirits, you like your herbs. :hypocrite: I wonder- "Herbs and CHOCOLATE GRAVY"- breakfast of the Kings. :P
Now you are putting CHOCOLATE GRAVY ON HERB!!?!? You cannibal!
Not "Herb" you dweeb. herbs....as in the "medicine" Meller Yeller grows. I'm thinking it would go well with the CHOCOLATE GRAVY and the munchies.... :thumbsup2:
This is Roscoe
(https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTU2QGhK0AtzaGawPVhy8IdvIXHbJF4hsbEge1f6GxyUPqgGMwc)
This is Roscoe on drugs... Chocolate GRAVY!
(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSuf3ZQCNbLW1sdXZa8mg601Uo9dm2eGxkLFgnFOZ-QFK9brbPGlg)
Any questions?
:stupid:
Quote from: Roscoe on December 16, 2011, 05:53:43 PM
Not "Herb" you dweeb. herbs....as in the "medicine" Meller Yeller grows. I'm thinking it would go well with the CHOCOLATE GRAVY and the munchies.... :thumbsup2:
Ha! As pointed out, you are following a "medicated" dealer...WHO LIKES CHOCOLATE GRAVY!
Quote from: MellowYellow on December 16, 2011, 05:55:01 PM
This is Roscoe
(https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTU2QGhK0AtzaGawPVhy8IdvIXHbJF4hsbEge1f6GxyUPqgGMwc)
This is Roscoe on drugs... Chocolate GRAVY!
(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSuf3ZQCNbLW1sdXZa8mg601Uo9dm2eGxkLFgnFOZ-QFK9brbPGlg)
Any questions?
Yes. WHERE IS MORE CHOCOLATE GRAVY?!?
I say...NO CHOCOLATE GRAVY!!!
ROFL! This thread is fabulous. Just sayin'... :bigcheese:
And btw Mini, I nearly did this: :spitlaugh: when I read your post...
Quote from: minnesota68 on December 16, 2011, 05:24:57 PM
Since you are so judgmental about my spiritual (and Christmas tree supporting) status, you need to repent.
Likewise to the lovely picture of Roscoe on chocolate drugs. :D
:beret:
Exodus 29:25 (KJV)
...savour before the Lord: it is an offering made by fire unto the Lord.
Who said chocolate gravy wasn't in the Bible?
M.E.Lee's cooking for Stilts:
2 Kings 4:39-40 (KJV)
And one went out into the field to gather herbs, and found a wild vine, and gathered thereof wild gourds his lap full, and came and shred them into the pot of pottage: for they knew them not.
So they poured out for the men to eat. And it came to pass, as they were eating of the pottage, that they cried out, and said, O thou man of God, there is death in the pot. And they could not eat thereof.
Thank you! Roscoe, PsalmSinger, and I will stick to chocolate gravy and LIVE.
Musta been the ones that hung that fruit in that first tree skit.
Rev 22:2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits... The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Things hung on trees heal nations...
Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
it represents what? everlasting life?
:hypocrite:
I think I could get the hang of this mis'a quotin' scripture thing!
Jer 10:4 They decorate it with silver and gold; They fasten it with nails and hammers So that it will not topple.
Jer 10:5 They are upright, like a palm tree, And they cannot speak; They must be carried, Because they cannot go by themselves. Do not be afraid of them, For they cannot do evil, Nor can they do any good."
Quote from: Mountain Dew on December 16, 2011, 07:25:51 PM
Exodus 29:25 (KJV)
...savour before the Lord: it is an offering made by fire unto the Lord.
Who said chocolate gravy wasn't in the Bible?
You is misusing scripture there, you vile person...need I remind you:
Revelation 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
Exodus 29:22Also thou shalt take of the ram the fat and the rump, and the fat that covereth the inwards, and the caul above the liver, and the two kidneys, and the fat that is upon them, and the right shoulder; for it is a ram of consecration: 23And one loaf of bread, and one cake of oiled bread, and one wafer out of the basket of the unleavened bread that is before the LORD: 24And thou shalt put all in the hands of Aaron, and in the hands of his sons; and shalt wave them for a wave offering before the LORD. 25And thou shalt receive them of their hands, and burn them upon the altar for a burnt offering, for a sweet savour before the LORD: it is an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
The Lord is talking about the fat, the meat, bread, oiled bread, and a wafer. (And this also shows scriptural reference that liver is good for you!)
Yeah, bring on the beef liver, gravy and onions! :great:
Wait a minute, wasn't this thread supposed to be about a debate over some holiday or other...
Quote from: minnesota68 on December 16, 2011, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: Mountain Dew on December 16, 2011, 07:25:51 PM
Exodus 29:25 (KJV)
...savour before the Lord: it is an offering made by fire unto the Lord.
Who said chocolate gravy wasn't in the Bible?
You is misusing scripture there, you vile person...need I remind you:
Revelation 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
Exodus 29:22Also thou shalt take of the ram the fat and the rump, and the fat that covereth the inwards, and the caul above the liver, and the two kidneys, and the fat that is upon them, and the right shoulder; for it is a ram of consecration: 23And one loaf of bread, and one cake of oiled bread, and one wafer out of the basket of the unleavened bread that is before the LORD: 24And thou shalt put all in the hands of Aaron, and in the hands of his sons; and shalt wave them for a wave offering before the LORD. 25And thou shalt receive them of their hands, and burn them upon the altar for a burnt offering, for a sweet savour before the LORD: it is an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
The Lord is talking about the fat, the meat, bread, oiled bread, and a wafer. (And this also shows scriptural reference that liver is good for you!)
And here I though Lou had a problem cooking sometimes. She's just spiritual, :laughhard: Oh, and Mini- if I want her to know I said that, I'll tell her. :pound:
Quote from: Psalm_97 on December 16, 2011, 07:40:09 PM
Yeah, bring on the beef liver, gravy and onions! :great:
Wait a minute, wasn't this thread supposed to be about a debate over some holiday or other...
By chocolate gravy, Stilts!! He just called you "hag" too!!
And I do believe I associated a question with that scripture. I like to apply scripture to my life...even the chocolate gravy I consume. Who can say that the following didn't have chocolate gravy on it? Maybe this is the first record of the creation of the delicacy. :hypocrite:
Ezekiel 3:1-27 (KJV)
Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel.
So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll.
And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness.
Dont forget: Ez 3:12 Then the Spirit lifted me up, and I heard behind me a loud rumbling sound... Thats proof of what chocolate gravy does to you! :flush: :ugly:
Quote from: Roscoe on December 16, 2011, 07:41:28 PM
Quote from: minnesota68 on December 16, 2011, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: Mountain Dew on December 16, 2011, 07:25:51 PM
Exodus 29:25 (KJV)
...savour before the Lord: it is an offering made by fire unto the Lord.
Who said chocolate gravy wasn't in the Bible?
You is misusing scripture there, you vile person...need I remind you:
Revelation 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
Exodus 29:22Also thou shalt take of the ram the fat and the rump, and the fat that covereth the inwards, and the caul above the liver, and the two kidneys, and the fat that is upon them, and the right shoulder; for it is a ram of consecration: 23And one loaf of bread, and one cake of oiled bread, and one wafer out of the basket of the unleavened bread that is before the LORD: 24And thou shalt put all in the hands of Aaron, and in the hands of his sons; and shalt wave them for a wave offering before the LORD. 25And thou shalt receive them of their hands, and burn them upon the altar for a burnt offering, for a sweet savour before the LORD: it is an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
The Lord is talking about the fat, the meat, bread, oiled bread, and a wafer. (And this also shows scriptural reference that liver is good for you!)
And here I though Lou had a problem cooking sometimes. She's just spiritual, :laughhard: Oh, and Mini- if I want her to know I said that, I'll tell her. :pound:
Roscoe, does your wife sing "O' Christmas Tree, o' Christmas Tree..." when she brings you her burnt offerings of chocolate gravy? :laughhard:
Quote from: Mountain Dew on December 16, 2011, 07:59:12 PM
Quote from: Roscoe on December 16, 2011, 07:41:28 PM
Quote from: minnesota68 on December 16, 2011, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: Mountain Dew on December 16, 2011, 07:25:51 PM
Exodus 29:25 (KJV)
...savour before the Lord: it is an offering made by fire unto the Lord.
Who said chocolate gravy wasn't in the Bible?
You is misusing scripture there, you vile person...need I remind you:
Revelation 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
Exodus 29:22Also thou shalt take of the ram the fat and the rump, and the fat that covereth the inwards, and the caul above the liver, and the two kidneys, and the fat that is upon them, and the right shoulder; for it is a ram of consecration: 23And one loaf of bread, and one cake of oiled bread, and one wafer out of the basket of the unleavened bread that is before the LORD: 24And thou shalt put all in the hands of Aaron, and in the hands of his sons; and shalt wave them for a wave offering before the LORD. 25And thou shalt receive them of their hands, and burn them upon the altar for a burnt offering, for a sweet savour before the LORD: it is an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
The Lord is talking about the fat, the meat, bread, oiled bread, and a wafer. (And this also shows scriptural reference that liver is good for you!)
And here I though Lou had a problem cooking sometimes. She's just spiritual, :laughhard: Oh, and Mini- if I want her to know I said that, I'll tell her. :pound:
Roscoe, does your wife sing "O' Christmas Tree, o' Christmas Tree..." when she brings you her burnt offerings of chocolate gravy? :laughhard:
LOL. Nope, she don't glorify the heathen bush either. :biglaugh: And she refuses to try to make chocolate gravy. She tasted my mama's chocolate gravy and I think she's afraid that she can't measure up to it, so she won't try. Her burnt offerings are pizzas and the like. :biglaugh:
She is actually a good cook. (In case she checks in here). :biglaugh:
Quote from: minnesota68 on December 16, 2011, 07:58:24 PM
Dont forget: Ez 3:12 Then the Spirit lifted me up, and I heard behind me a loud rumbling sound... Thats proof of what chocolate gravy does to you! :flush: :ugly:
:rofl:
Job 33:21
His flesh is consumed away, that it cannot be seen; and his bones that were not seen stick out.
This happens to those that do not eat chocolate gravy!!!
2 Corinthians 4:16 So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day.
We are renewed by NOT EATING CHOCOLATE GRAVY!
Quote from: minnesota68 on December 16, 2011, 08:40:07 PM
2 Corinthians 4:16 So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day.
We are renewed by NOT EATING CHOCOLATE GRAVY!
You are confused, Chocolate Gravy Hater! Do I need to give you a Bible lesson?
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the
Holy Ghost;
Which is my point exactly. You dont get renewed by CHOCOLATE GRAVY!
Quote from: Mountain Dew on December 16, 2011, 08:19:45 PMJob 33:21
His flesh is consumed away, that it cannot be seen; and his bones that were not seen stick out.
This happens to those that do not eat chocolate gravy!!!
BOL! Oh but for butter! It is our salvation perk, land flowing with butter and honey. What? butter is from milk. Chocolate gravy is from crack. :hypocrite:
Quote from: minnesota68 on December 16, 2011, 08:40:07 PM
2 Corinthians 4:16 So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day.
We are renewed by NOT EATING CHOCOLATE GRAVY!
Quote from: minnesota68 on December 16, 2011, 09:05:49 PM
Which is my point exactly. You dont get renewed by CHOCOLATE GRAVY!
All you did was relocate the negative in the sentence (a poorly constructed contraction at that). You said nothing different. Look, if you are going to post, quit repeating yourself!! *dances around singing..."Chocolate gravy in YO FACE"*....
:eyebrow:
Chocolate gravy has made you mean.
That's ok Mini, Jesus is a friend of mine... ours.. :sing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-NOZU2iPA8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-NOZU2iPA8)
I am hurting laughing...literally!! I guess I've gone to long without my chocolate gravy.
I concede. You bitter old hag. Make sure you get aplenty sugar....IN YO CHOCOLATE GRAVY!!!!
No way, that makes it far too sweet.
Quote from: minnesota68 on December 16, 2011, 09:21:54 PM
:eyebrow:
Chocolate gravy has made you mean.
The lack thereof has made you judgmental I see. :nono:
This is not really germane to any of the issues raised in this thread to date, but it is a good essay that is kind of on topic: http://www.cybersalt.org/gods-penman/merry-is-as-merry-celebrates
Gotta love them holiday turkeys. :updown:
You're all wrong.
I'm right.
Debate closed.
*opens*....*glares at CheeseBall*
A cheese ball? Where?!
*grabs a pack of club crackers and yells, "CHARGE!"
Quote from: Psalm_97 on December 20, 2011, 03:59:43 PM
A cheese ball? Where?!
*grabs a pack of club crackers and yells, "CHARGE!"
*gets jumper cables....attaches....watches as cheese flies*
Ah well, it ain't easy being cheesy.
Bah!
Foolishness!
Quote from: Ebenezer Scrooge on December 20, 2011, 05:24:17 PM
Bah!
Foolishness!
http://www.cybersalt.org/gods-penman/merry-is-as-merry-celebrates
Like the guy said. You celebrate your April 1st and Halloween, we'll celebrate our Christmas. :P
Quote from: Psalm_97 on December 20, 2011, 05:37:25 PM
Quote from: Ebenezer Scrooge on December 20, 2011, 05:24:17 PM
Bah!
Foolishness!
http://www.cybersalt.org/gods-penman/merry-is-as-merry-celebrates
Like the guy said. You celebrate your April 1st and Halloween, we'll celebrate our Christmas. :P
...or not.
Wedding? Whose wedding? Who is getting married? Why am I always the last to know?
There's a reason for that.
Oh hush you divorced person you!