In a church service a preacher posed this question to the congregation in the message, "why are you Apostolic." he continued to explain his thoughts on what he seems to think is where a lot of young people are getting side tracked and are easily suaded to new concepts and falsehoods. he presented a thought that maybe study and home raising's could be the answer, not to mention the ever growing amount of distractions. he says that we may be getting alot like other denominations in that we just take anther's word for what we believe and don't study it out for ourselves. he also stated that we not only may not be raising our kids in routine bible study but are letting our duties to carry the gospel out to the people slip away. He really stressed home bible studies.
I kinda agree with him. What is your view? Why are you apostolic? I want to see the Church grow in full truth and harmony. Id like to see church meetings like the ones I saw as a kid where you expected fire and brimstone to rain down on you at any minute. People stayed for meeting till way over in the night. i also know the scriptures that tie me to the apostolic faith but find nuggets that confirm it daily. i want to see apostolics not only believe the full truth but know it and do it. I'm not asking to list the scripture you believe but tell of an action you do to show apostolic faith, or a conversation you had with another person of another faith that scripture flowed out of you like a river and shined true light to the other person. How instant are we in or out of season?
lol that's a lot of questions.
Quotei want to see apostolics not only believe the full truth but know it and do it.
This is the biggest reason I'm apostolic. I have never met or heard or been to another church where there is straight Word preached, people agree, and DO it. We all have flaws, are human but overall being apostolic is the highest standard of Christianity. Call it apostolic, pentecostal and right now it = what it says, but if it should ever take on a denominal image, I will still hold to the truths I know and keep pressing forward!
I totally agree about Bible studies as a family, and that is why I think the Bible Quizzers have higher percentage of stickability, cause they got that Word in them.
Quote from: MellowYellow on May 10, 2010, 08:56:31 PM
lol that's a lot of questions.
Quotei want to see apostolics not only believe the full truth but know it and do it.
This is the biggest reason I'm apostolic. I have never met or heard or been to another church where there is straight Word preached, people agree, and DO it. We all have flaws, are human but overall being apostolic is the highest standard of Christianity. Call it apostolic, pentecostal and right now it = what it says, but if it should ever take on a denominal image, I will still hold to the truths I know and keep pressing forward!
I totally agree about Bible studies as a family, and that is why I think the Bible Quizzers have higher percentage of stickability, cause they got that Word in them.
:thumbsup2: right on. i dont want to be an apostolic cause i go to an apostolic church, but because i live and breath the truth Sunday thru saturday. I want to live what i know, and know that I am making a difference. I dont want to rely on what someone else said is true and not know it myself. you said it, "stickability" is a side affect of having the truth in you. knowing the fundamentals and knowing why you beleive them.
People seem to be divided on the answer to that question. Some say we choose God; others say God chooses us. Looking back on my life I have to say God chose me, but if He didn't and I came to Him on my own, then the credit goes to a wonderful couple who taught me Bible studies (and fed me some good food too, lol). Either way, I appreciate what they did for me and the friendship we still have.
In response to the youth and what's going on with them... I'm not sure more Bible study is always the answer. I heard a missionary say years ago that knowing the truth isn't enough to keep us; we have to love the truth. How do you teach love? Some love the apostolic way, some stay in it with the goal of changing it, and others forsake it. I heard Reverend Jeff Arnold preaching a few years ago. He mentioned Bible Quizzers. He said, "We've got champion Bible Quizzers with the morals of DOGS!" ... just something to think about, I could be wrong.
There's lots of ways to answer this question. We could look at doctrine. We could look at experience.
But I think it boils down to one main thing: How much are we like Jesus.
John 17:3.
3. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Looking at the phrase "whom thou hast sent", it might more accurately be translated (through a transliteration) "whom thou hast apostolisized".
Jesus is the Apostle and High Priest of our faith. Of my faith. We must believe of Him whom the Father has sent (John 6:29 and others). An apostle is one who is sent. Jesus is such. To be apostolic then, is to be like the one who was sent by the Father to be the Savior of the world. My love of Jesus, my level of Christ-likeness, my desire to know not only the power of His resurrection, but also to obtain the fellowship of His sufferings, makes me apostolic, i.e. of, pertaining, or belonging to an apostle. Jesus is the Apostle of whom I pertain and belong.
Quote from: The Cold Water Kid on May 11, 2010, 05:08:00 AM
People seem to be divided on the answer to that question. Some say we choose God; others say God chooses us. Looking back on my life I have to say God chose me, but if He didn't and I came to Him on my own, then the credit goes to a wonderful couple who taught me Bible studies (and fed me some good food too, lol). Either way, I appreciate what they did for me and the friendship we still have.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Quote from: The Cold Water Kid on May 11, 2010, 05:08:00 AM
In response to the youth and what's going on with them... I'm not sure more Bible study is always the answer. I heard a missionary say years ago that knowing the truth isn't enough to keep us; we have to love the truth. How do you teach love? Some love the apostolic way, some stay in it with the goal of changing it, and others forsake it. I heard Reverend Jeff Arnold preaching a few years ago. He mentioned Bible Quizzers. He said, "We've got champion Bible Quizzers with the morals of DOGS!" ... just something to think about, I could be wrong.
thats why we are to be a light unto the world. we have hid the light so long that our kids cant find the love of the truth. IMO some just choose to be hard headed any way. we choose for ourselves our own journey. Jesus said he knows our thoughts and our heart. i guess some will just not have the heart for it.
Why am I apostolic? This is the only think I know and have ever known.
Quote from: Scott on May 11, 2010, 10:18:20 PM
Why am I apostolic? This is the only think I know and have ever known.
wish i could say the same. i was raised baptist and it was rather mild. my grandmother was Pentecost and took me to church when i was about 9-10 and those people scared the heebee jeebees out of me. i must say that from that time on i just as well have been Pentecostal too because the baptist church wasn't the same since. i knew from that time on there was something missing in the denominal faith. I love the old saying the apostolics have, "it's not a denomination, it's an experience".
I'm apostolic because the principles that we hold to are what the first church believed. Denomination doesn't matter, obedience to the Word is the only basis upon which we will be judged.
/me Sits to listen in.
boy hidy!! if ya want to know how cruel and mis- leading the world is, get on a christian site with trinitarians and letem know your apostolic. whewwww boooyyyyyyyyyy.
Quote from: Raven180 on May 11, 2010, 09:07:46 AM
There's lots of ways to answer this question. We could look at doctrine. We could look at experience.
But I think it boils down to one main thing: How much are we like Jesus.
John 17:3.
3. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Looking at the phrase "whom thou hast sent", it might more accurately be translated (through a transliteration) "whom thou hast apostolisized".
Jesus is the Apostle and High Priest of our faith. Of my faith. We must believe of Him whom the Father has sent (John 6:29 and others). An apostle is one who is sent. Jesus is such. To be apostolic then, is to be like the one who was sent by the Father to be the Savior of the world. My love of Jesus, my level of Christ-likeness, my desire to know not only the power of His resurrection, but also to obtain the fellowship of His sufferings, makes me apostolic, i.e. of, pertaining, or belonging to an apostle. Jesus is the Apostle of whom I pertain and belong.
ditto
but what do ya do, to call yourself an apostolic. from the heart!!! day to day!! knock doors much? compell much? charity much?
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Quote from: yosemite on May 26, 2010, 02:01:22 AM
but what do ya do, to call yourself an apostolic. from the heart!!! day to day!! knock doors much? compell much? charity much?
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
I crucify the old man. I pick up my cross and follow Jesus. I allow the Holy Ghost to lead me. I allow the Holy Ghost to teach me. I no longer follow blindly any man or organization. I search the Word to see what truly "thus sayeth the LORD". I search my heart daily to purge leaven. I let go of more "things" of this world daily. I seek first the kingdom of God.
Thru faith all these things are done that I might be conformed to the image of God's dear Son.
The list is too big to itemize. :lol:
I'm a Christian. Plain and simple. I have read the belief systems of many major religions and subgroups within. I've come to the conclusion that the Bible is right, so I follow, teach, and preach the same things I see Jesus and His Apostles teaching and preaching. If that warrants me the label of apostolic then so be it, then you have the answer as to why.
:-)
Shalom
maybe i'm not relaying the question right. remember the movie "fire proof" when the woman ask her husband " is this what you resort to when no one else is around"?
when not in church meetings, what do ya do to secure the title of apostolic? do you ever go to the store away from ones you know, and people see the light without telling them? are people hushed from their cursing when you pass? when your out do ya compell others?
i have a neighbor who is determined to burn. every time i see him he tells everybody, "here comes that pentacostal, better hush all that cursing". he is a mess!! it is amazing to me that the light shines through, even when i am not particularly doing anything that lables me as an apostolic. the acounts of this hold to other times where i dont know anyone around. i dont go out of my way to announce it. i dont do anything out of the ordinary to attain such a title other than being nice(maybe). Ask some to come to church here and there.
I feel led to do more for and through Him, More healings, more miricles.
I trust the Word that if I'm persuing an always deeper relationship w/ God then I am making an impression, affecting people. Even if I don't notice the signs or have people say anything. But I think yes, we all have those humbling moments when folks do mention it.
People are still human and some notice and some are so dilusional they don't. Some days I am walking in an anointing, and some days I'm making very clear that my kids are on their way to a whoopin as soon as we get to the car. ☺
I know what you mean Yosemite, you mean you want to be more available for God to do more healings and miracles through you. I agree! :biglaugh:
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All I can say is because of what I see in the Word of God, is the reason I call myself a wesleyan now in regards to theology itself.
But i would dare to say, forgetting that, I rather be known as one who strives to be like Christ, regardless of how many times I fail each day.
The question I would have to answer is "Why am I not Apostolic"
I started out as an apostolic simply because that's what I was raised in and what I was taught growing up. I no longer consider myself to be Apostolic because what the Apostolic faith teaches and practices doesn't match what I see in the New Testament.
Just to stir the pot...
There is a sect of Catholics that call themselves apostolic, even in the names of their churches. "Apostolic Bible Church" was the 1st one I became aware of, they even are more on the conservative side. We can't be more loyal to a label than to Truth.
right on mellow!! :clap:
sorry bsr cant help ya there for i see clearly new testiment in the apostolic church. i not only see that apostolic pentecost is right by the new testiment but also the old testement. you could have one of maybe two problems. one is your church is going astray from the teaching of bible and apostolic doctrine or the second being that you yourself are blinded. you have to be the one to search the scriptures with fear and trembling. i cant do it for you. i only tell what i know. it is up to you to beleive. but i will say this in defence of the apostolic doctrine,IT IS THE TRUTH. you ran the race so good, what did hender you? run and not grow weary. walk and not faint.
Quote from: MellowYellow on August 06, 2010, 05:22:04 AM
Just to stir the pot...
There is a sect of Catholics that call themselves apostolic, even in the names of their churches. "Apostolic Bible Church" was the 1st one I became aware of, they even are more on the conservative side. We can't be more loyal to a label than to Truth.
*stirs the pot some more*
I realize that all these different denominational and church names have come about as a result of divisions and trying to show which set of beliefs we hold to. I sometimes wonder though if we're guilty of the same thing that Paul had to correct in Corinth - I am of Paul and I am of Apollos. Why do we say "I'm apostolic" when the apostles didn't die our sins or "I'm Pentecostal" when the day of Pentecost didn't die for our sins?
Ultimately what we should be striving to be is a follower of Jesus Christ.
Growing up in a non-Apostolic faith I remember thinking there has got to be more than this... I was 17 when I got the Holy Ghost my first time to a Pentecostal church.... and I knew this was the "more" I was yearning for. I love being Pentecostal! :)
Quote from: bsr on August 07, 2010, 05:17:44 PM
Why do we say "I'm apostolic" when the apostles didn't die our sins or "I'm Pentecostal" when the day of Pentecost didn't die for our sins?
Ultimately what we should be striving to be is a follower of Jesus Christ.
bsr- i aint in contention with ya, but i do want to share this. i also dont want to overload your circuits on scripture. just try to see this for me, OK.
Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
here it refers to a foundation. the foundation of apostles.
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
again this is a foundation of old and new testament. "line upon line" Jesus being the strength and backbone.
Lu 6:48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
foundation on foundation till the beginning of time Jesus being the rock. "line upon line, precept upon precept, here a littrle there a little.
Ac 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
the apostles were witnesses and the fulfilment of new testament times. pentecost was the celebration of deliverance and birth date of the new covenant when the Holy Ghost was given. maybe there are other people who can explain it better than i, seeing i am not a word smith. i can still see the very importance of being apostolic and following truth. true, a name is just a name till ya put truth to it. the bible says to guard your name as you do gold and silver, not letting it be corupted. there are many names and some have seen their fair share of coruption. the hebrews, the jews, the gentiles, now its a whole array of names. i'm glad to be associated with the apostolics of truth. true doctrine. my preacher once said," pentecost is not a denomination, it is an experience". i beleive him, now!!
Ac 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
seems everyone is called christians nowadays.
praying for ya!
Quote from: Cyn12178 on August 09, 2010, 03:30:44 AM
Growing up in a non-Apostolic faith I remember thinking there has got to be more than this... I was 17 when I got the Holy Ghost my first time to a Pentecostal church.... and I knew this was the "more" I was yearning for. I love being Pentecostal! :)
you and i have an almost identicle testimony. thanks for sharing. :thumbsup2: :thumbsup2:
i'm just lurking.
being on the fence myself i like to read everyones reasons for being or not being....
Quote from: 1 Corinthians 1:10-1310 Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe's people, that there are quarrels among you. 12 Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, "I am of Paul," and "I of Apollos," and "I of Cephas," and "I of Christ." 13 Has Christ been divided ? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
I think we would be wiser to stay away from labels since, as Paul wrote, they tend to contribute to the disunity of the Body.
well I for one, will stay with the lable of apostolic since it is scriptural. I will continue stedfastly in the apostles doctrine! no fence stradleing going on here. hot or cold, not luke warm. LOL
titus: seems those scriptures were talking of being of a mans name, not a doctrine. they were putting a speacial notability on paul and others saying they had the power, as if they had more favorability when baptized by certain people, when in fact it was Christ working through paul and others.
Quote from: yosemite on October 07, 2010, 06:17:31 PM
well I for one, will stay with the lable of apostolic since it is scriptural. I will continue stedfastly in the apostles doctrine! no fence stradleing going on here. hot or cold, not luke warm. LOL
titus: seems those scriptures were talking of being of a mans name, not a doctrine. they were putting a speacial notability on paul and others saying they had the power, as if they had more favorability when baptized by certain people, when in fact it was Christ working through paul and others.
Yes, that's true - but there were also those saying they were "of Christ." What could be wrong with that? Yet Paul condemns it just as he condemns all the other labels.
His point is that we're to resist the temptation to place ourselves and other believers into categories, avoid the us/them trap among fellow believers. Search the Scriptures, yes. Study them to show ourselves approved before God, yes. Correct, by the authority of the Word, error when we find it in other believers, yes. But create division among the Body by labeling people who disagree on this or that doctrine? No. Let the Lord separate the chaff from the wheat when the time comes. Until then, any who names the name of Christ is my brother or my sister.
Quote from: yosemite on August 07, 2010, 04:54:24 AM
you could have one of maybe two problems. one is your church is going astray from the teaching of bible and apostolic doctrine or the second being that you yourself are blinded. you have to be the one to search the scriptures with fear and trembling. i cant do it for you. i only tell what i know. it is up to you to beleive. but i will say this in defence of the apostolic doctrine,IT IS THE TRUTH. you ran the race so good, what did hender you? run and not grow weary. walk and not faint.
I'm the one that went astray. I let bitterness cloud my judgment and cause me to reject the faith. I clearly see now that the church I got myself into actually teaches 3 gods. Its been bothering me for a while but I'm not sure I'd have the strength to get back out it with the emotional ties I've got to that church and the doctrinal mess they've made of my mind.
It's amazing the clarity that comes when we repent and submit to Jesus. Nothing's impossible, if fact it usually falls into place when we surrender all.
Quote from: MellowYellow on December 02, 2010, 09:02:10 PM
It's amazing the clarity that comes when we repent and submit to Jesus. Nothing's impossible, if fact it usually falls into place when we surrender all.
For me the clarity begin to come when I begin to actually listen to and really think about what I'm being taught by the Church of Christ.
several months ago I asked the preacher at my church about the Godhead issue and he specifically told me that the oneness of the Godhead is not a numerical oneness. I've talked to coc friends and researched it on coc websites and what is described to me is a god-family that has 3 members in that family. Its also been described to me as "god" is a class of being like human is a class of being and there just happens to be 3 in that class of being.
I've wrestle with it for a while and tried to come up with ways to justify their teachings as monotheism cause I didn't want to admit that what my church teaches is polytheism. Its gotten to the place that I can't get away from the fact that I know what the coc teaches isn't monotheism and that the LORD clearly stated many places in the Old Testament that there is no other God besides Him.
As far as repentance goes, I regret what I've gotten myself into and the horrible attitude I've had towards the Oneness faith. I'm just not sure right now if I could be forgiven since I was actively speaking against the Oneness faith after having grown up knowing the truth.
Quote from: Backseat Radio on December 02, 2010, 09:47:48 PM
As far as repentance goes, I regret what I've gotten myself into and the horrible attitude I've had towards the Oneness faith. I'm just not sure right now if I could be forgiven since I was actively speaking against the Oneness faith after having grown up knowing the truth.
Forgiven by whom?
I can assure you... if you repent towards God... He'll forgive you... new start...
As far as people go... they have the choice of either forgiving you... or being held accountable by God for unforgiveness! We all make mistakes... we are human... if they forget so easily that they also have made mistakes and false accusations... then they have some heart issues to look at as well.
Our mistakes can hold longer lasting results than we care for... but people still have the same choice. Believe or not believe, forgive or not forgive... and for someone to not forgive...
So make the neccessary changes... and go on...! :)
Praise the Lord!
Quote from: YooperYankDude on December 03, 2010, 12:12:09 AM
I can assure you... if you repent towards God... He'll forgive you... new start...
As far as people go... they have the choice of either forgiving you... or being held accountable by God for unforgiveness! We all make mistakes... we are human... if they forget so easily that they also have made mistakes and false accusations... then they have some heart issues to look at as well.
Our mistakes can hold longer lasting results than we care for... but people still have the same choice. Believe or not believe, forgive or not forgive... and for someone to not forgive...
So make the neccessary changes... and go on...! :)
Praise the Lord!
Thanks Yop
Forgiving yourself is usually the hardest thing to do. With God's help I will be getting my life back on track spiritually.
Quote from: Backseat Radio on December 02, 2010, 09:47:48 PM
Quote from: MellowYellow on December 02, 2010, 09:02:10 PM
It's amazing the clarity that comes when we repent and submit to Jesus. Nothing's impossible, if fact it usually falls into place when we surrender all.
As far as repentance goes, I regret what I've gotten myself into and the horrible attitude I've had towards the Oneness faith. I'm just not sure right now if I could be forgiven since I was actively speaking against the Oneness faith after having grown up knowing the truth.
If I can add my two cents worth in, Matthew 15:20 speaks of the prodigal son returning home, willing to work as a servant. The Word says that "while he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck and kissed him" The father was watching for his son otherwise, he would not have saw him. It's the same way with your situation- God is watching for you, and when you repent and run to Him, he will run to you.
Also, I recently preached a message about returning and recovering what you once had with God.1 Samuel 30:8 tells of David returning to find his city burned in fire and his wife and children taken. He inquires of the Lord wether he should pursue and was told "Pursue: for thou shalt surely overtake them, and without fail, recover all." If you read on, David pursued and not only recovered all of his property, he took spoils. (vs19,20)
It is the same with your walk with God. The enemy stole what you had with God, but if you repent (pursue) you will surely recover and can have so much more than what you had with God.
And lastly, from another message I recently taught, once you've repented and returned to God, forget about your past transgressions. Satan will try to bring up all of your wrongdoings and make you feel like you are unworthy of forgiveness. If you've repented and God has forgiven you, that sin is gone. It can no longer be seen by God. If God can't remember your sin, why should you?
I pray that you will return to God and find his love, grace and mercy waiting for you. I will be praying for you. :thumbsup2:
Your welcome...
It can be hard to do... but if God is willing to forgive us... why do we hold things against ourselves? I don't know of a good answer... the only thing that can separate from the love of Christ is ourselves... our unwillingness to forgive ourselves, and forget the past; or our unwillingness to forgive others... and forget their past.
If we cant forgive and forget, and move on... a root of bitterness can and does form... and then it becomes poison... and will strangle any joy left in you, and the joy in those around you.
I'll be praying for you! And you pray for me... cause this is something we all deal with in one form or another!
*I think I erased part of what I had typed in my first reply... ohh well... there was a bit more, it just looks like I ended a sentence mid-thought... lol.*
Haha @ BOB... good post... apparently we were thinking along similar lines... lol! You hadn't posted yet when I started my second reply... :)
Quote from: YooperYankDude on December 03, 2010, 01:12:09 AM
Haha @ BOB... good post... apparently we were thinking along similar lines... lol! You hadn't posted yet when I started my second reply... :)
Yeah, it took me a minute to type my message out,lol. Takes longer to type it than to preach it....
One more thing, a visiting minister taught nearly the same message recently at my church and brought up something I hadn't saw before...Ecclesiastes 11 :3. "...in the place where the tree falleth, there shall it be." He used this to demonstrate that we can't change the past, and to "let the tree (our sins) lay were it had fallen" Leave it be and get on with living for God. :thumbsup2:
Thanks guys for the encouraging words and thank you to those here on GP who have known me through the years that I've been in and out of the truth and have been praying for me.
I'm sure there is more to it than listed, but I do have a few querys:
Does the not-a-secret, yet shocking discovery of CoC godhead understandings invalidate any of the above listed beliefs you sported earlier?
Do the overall CoC doctrinal teachings overtly rebel against Scripture anymore than the overall Apostolic doctrinal teachings?
Were the "years in and out of the truth" spent in rebellion against living an overcoming life in the Lord Jesus Christ, or simply against the Apostolic denomination's teachings?
It is a very good thing to return to the Father after any time(s) of disobedience. I do rejoice with you for that. It may not necessarily be a good thing though, to return to any previously accepted denominal doctrine. The key will be the ability to overlook/tolerate their misunderstood beliefs. As individuals, we all look-thru-a-glass-darkly; denominations even more so. I hope your previously listed revelations are not compromised or destroyed by the desire to be identified as belonging to a self-named portion of the Body of Christ.
"Ultimately what we should be striving to be is a follower of Jesus Christ." - Back Seat Radio 8/07/10
Both sides have their problems and places that they seem to ignore what scripture does say, but I think every church will have some of that. I still don't consider myself a classic Oneness Pentecostal and probably never will. Main thing is I want to follow what the scripture teaches.
Quote from: Backseat Radio on December 07, 2010, 03:51:31 AM
Both sides have their problems and places that they seem to ignore what scripture does say, but I think every church will have some of that. I still don't consider myself a classic Oneness Pentecostal and probably never will. Main thing is I want to follow what the scripture teaches.
That's good to hear. Sometimes saints will return to the state the Lord moved them from, denying any mature progress made. Usually this comes from uncertainty of the path Father is leading them on, and a fear of being rejected. Glad to know this is not the case. I'd really, really hate to see you discard the level of understanding first mentioned.
Though every single denomination errs from scripture to variant degrees; it is possible to fellowship for a time. Eventually - if growth continues - there does come a parting, for Babylon will never let go of its hold upon them.The apostate church will make itself known to be in control. As stated several times in this topic; it's not the denominal name that we identify ourselves by or associate with that defines the Body. It is being a virgin who follows the Lamb wherever He goes. We are virginal in the sense of no other seed planted but that of the Labm. We believe the Word above all. We reject all doctrine, concepts, membership values that do not line up in Scripture. In these last hours more than ever before, we must be exemplary Bereans and no longer sheep converting into swine.
I repeat - good to see you haven't cast aside important understandings gained.
WOW!!! :hi:
been visiting the apostolic church my brother goes to here in town. Thinking about possibly making it my home church since they seem to be pretty middle of the road and easy going.
Just to clarify on original post, to the readers, the word apostolic must be defined as most any christian will consider themselves apostolic regardless of what they believe and teach.
Though I could hazzard the guess to what definition yosimite meant by his post.