Miss Calif.: Anti-gay marriage answer 'Cost me my crown'
MSN Entertainment - April 20, 2009, 3:54 PM EST
Miss California Carrie Prejean thinks her anti-same sex marriage opinion cost her the Miss USA title on Sunday.
In an interview on Monday's Billy Bush Show Prejean stated: "It did cost me my crown. I wouldn't have had it any other way. I said what I feel. I stated an opinion that was true to myself and that's all I can do."
During the show, celebrity judge Perez Hilton asked Prejean on whether she thought same-sex marriage should be legalized. Prejean replied: "In my country, and in my family, I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman." Prejean later lost to Miss North Carolina Kristen Dalton, who took home the crown.
"It is a very touchy subject and (Hilton) is a homosexual and I see where he was coming from and I see the audience would've wanted me to be more politically correct," she said. "But I was raised in a way that you can never compromise your beliefs and your opinions for anything."
Even though her answer stirred up some controversy, Prejean said she still felt like she won the competition.
"I feel like I'm the winner. I really do," Prejean said, mentioning that she had more than 200 friend requests and 1,000 new messages on Facebook.
http://tv.msn.com/miss-california-controversy/?GT1=28103
Good for her! Sleazeball hilton asked a provocative question, and he got an honest answer. If he didn't like it, he shouldn't have asked the question. Mad props to her for standing her ground!
Yet one more example that homosexuals are bigoted and non-tolerant against anyone who doesn't approve of them.
It isn't right for a judge to ask a question like that if he's on one side of the issue. He should never have asked that one, then judged her on her answer. He asked for her opinion, after all.
i know...i think they should have been fair abt it...they should have asked the other girl the same q...lol...im glad she stood up for her beliefs...she could have just lied and said that she thought it was ok...but she didnt
The question should never have been asked, and if she was penalized for being honest and stating her beliefs, then obviously that was wrong. Still, it kind of bugs me that she thinks she would've won anyway only because it seems to take away from the woman who did win. As if Miss North Carolina (woohoo!) wouldn't have won if Miss California had gotten a different question or answered in a different way.
:rofl: :laughat: Don't you have a slight prejudice?
Just a teensy one. :smirk:
BTW, you made a great point, but I swooped in on the NC thing. :laughhard:
Quote from: dnr1128 on April 21, 2009, 02:00:21 AM
Yet one more example that homosexuals are bigoted and non-tolerant against anyone who doesn't approve of them.
I'm sorry, this may be wrong and rude of me to say, but it's how I feel. Homosexuals aren't like this. I know many personally and they just want someone to care about them. Many would not be homosexual today if someone had taken the time to help them instead of judging them.
I find this statement more true of pentecostals than homosexuals.
When people talk about them it's usually a blanket statement about the political ones, and the ones who are pushing their agenda. I know some, too, and as individuals, they're ok. But the Big HOMOSEXUALS are a big problem in our country.
There is a difference of personalities in a homosexual and a flaming homosexual. I was engaged to an apostolic pastor. He "came out" and degraded and humiliated me in front of his whole congregation. He is flaming now. Flamers have the attachment of "look at me, look at me". I think that is a spirit in itself. my close friend [name withheld] is a pastor of a homosexual pentecostal Jesus name holiness standard church. He is not a flamer. And I can tolerate him, without condoning the sin. Ashlee- i agree with you to a point. however- most sinners wouldn't be the way they are if they were taught right and loved with Godly love. But would you say the same about people who look at child pornography? What about someone who kills beautiful women for thrills? love the person, but wrong is wrong. and this nation [even the church] is becoming desensitised to conviction, and the fear of God. I say kudos to Prejean for still having the unction and guts to stand up for what our nation was built on. God.
i'm more appalled that any of you really care who "miss america" is, keep up with it, or feel this strongly about who should have "won". this competition is so demeaning to women everywhere. its yet another pop culture hold over from an era when women were expected to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. its nothing more than a beauty pagent cleverly operating under the guise of a scholarship, so these women should feel some sort of acheivement for taking their clothes off and parading themselves on stage.
No, she's a woman who dared to stand before a large group of people and go against the popular PC and say what she really felt. She blew a whole wad of money (Had she won) because she had the guts to do what most people would be afraid to do.
wow...danielle..i guess u r all for womens lib...lol...which in itself is not biblical actually
yeah i guess you could say i'm not "biblical".
being raised in pageants, I agree to a point with danielle. However, What does it matter who we wanted to/thought should win? The point of the thread is not to bash homosexuals. It is to commend a woman with OBVIOUS godly values, for doing what most of even pentecostals, I dare say, would not even do. The world would be almost totally corrupt if the pentecostals were the only ones to stand up for righteousness.. The Bible CLEARLY states what is an abomination and what is right in the sight of God. People, we've got to get ready. Wake ourselves up. Eternity is for Eternity. It's time we ALL become righteous, Lest, we are given over to a reprobate mind.
i wasnt trying to call u unbiblical...lol...sorry if i came across like that...but ...the Bible does talk about submission etc...which sometimes stinks, but is right
i think that God gave women a brain to use, and i am not saying that women aren't to submit themselves spiritually, but i do believe much of that scripture was and is misinterpreted, added to, and abused.
i think we are given a brain to use too...and im not talking abt a mans interpretation of the scriptures...but i do know that we are to submit...that desnt mean to be walked on, and that doesnt mean that we should never question...but it means that we should go about it in a respectful way
apparently taking nude photos also might cost miss cali her crown...
that girl assured her seat in heaven.. *sarcasm*
lol.. but seriously, i mean.. How DUMB is she!? haha.. thats so totally NOT the answer you say at ANY Pageant!!!
You sayin' she should have lied?
I'd rather tell the truth and lose my crown than lie and go to hell. lol.
Good answer, Ginger! :thumbsup2:
Quote from: Gingerale on May 14, 2009, 05:37:23 AM
I'd rather tell the truth and lose my crown than lie and go to hell. lol.
not me!
lol jus kidding!
But, come on.. seriously.. its not like this girl has any Holiness to her at all.. Shes a Porn Star!
She's not a porn star.
Quote from: dnr1128 on May 14, 2009, 08:28:39 PM
She's not a porn star.
Um.. Okay, she just accidentally took her clothes off to let people take pictures..
She was modeling; racy pictures are standard in the modeling business. Besides that, the pictures are fairly mild. I've seen more skin on beer billboards. This is a witch hunt sponsored by the same bigots who don't like the fact that she doesn't approve of them.
i know guys who when they were younger got just as excited by their mom's lingere catalogs as they did playboy...
the irony is this thread was started by someone trying to prove the point that there are still people out there who are christian role models in pop culture.
i wonder what james dobson thinks of miss california now...
i certainly wouldn't want my daughter looking up to a lingere model for values.. or miss america for that matter.
Every boy gets excited by ANYTHING even remotely involving ladies underwear. That's normal, nothing wrong with it.
Just because someone expresses an opinion that is supportive of retaining a traditional definition of marriage doesn't automatically elevate them to the status of moral authority or values example.
Just because a woman is a lingerie model for Vicky's or Belk or any other outfit doesn't automatically mean that she isn't an upstanding woman or has good values. That's rather judgmental.
i never said that they don't have values. i mean, madonna even has values - she doesn't allow her children to watch t.v. i've yet to see anyone use her to justify their stance on television. nor do i think its wrong for young boys/men to get "excited" about sexual imagery, but as a "christian" should one endorse it?
i just said that my dreams for my child do not involve encouraging them to look to movie stars, models, or miss america beauty pageant contestants/winners as role models.
That's commendable that you're planning for your child to set higher goals than to be like the latest pop tart to hit the screen.
Quote from: Chérie on May 14, 2009, 10:42:57 PM
i know guys who when they were younger got just as excited by their mom's lingere catalogs as they did playboy...
the irony is this thread was started by someone trying to prove the point that there are still people out there who are christian role models in pop culture.
i wonder what james dobson thinks of miss california now...
i certainly wouldn't want my daughter looking up to a lingere model for values.. or miss america for that matter.
AHEM! I started this thread and it's nice to hear from someone else why I started it. FYI I started it because I thought it was a news item that would generate some conversation/opinion.
well... I certainly Consider her a Porn Star..
and, I think she has a right to speak her Oppinion just like anyone else.. Especially since she was asked.. However, if she werent asked and she just started rambling against Gay Marriage.. I would really think she needs to mind her Own Business. But who knows how many of the Other Girls feel the same way about Gay Marriage? I mean.. ALOT of people feel that Gays shouldnt have the same Human Rights as other People.. so.. who knows
Quote from: Chérie on May 14, 2009, 11:43:29 PM
i mean, madonna even has values - she doesn't allow her children to watch t.v. i've yet to see anyone use her to justify their stance on television.
prolly bc she knows what she has done on the tv,....llol...prolly dont want her kids to come across anything like that!
Quote from: EricShane on May 15, 2009, 03:56:36 AM
ALOT of people feel that Gays shouldnt have the same Human Rights as other People.. so.. who knows
Nobody is contending that homosexuals should be denied human rights. But to have their perverted lifestyle placed on an equal plane next to heterosexual marriage is NOT a human right any more than it is a human right for child molesters and other sickos to do their dirty deeds. The topic has been brought up for vote after vote, and it is consistently voted down. Then judges decide to make law instead of interpret it.
lol.. okay whatever..
Listening to an interview of Sean Hanity and Prejean right now. She said the topless photos of her were for an application and not for any publication. She was topless but covered by her arm. Her girlfriend is the one who took the pictures. Because she gave nobody permission to print the application photos, Donald Trump said she could keep her Miss. California crown.
She also said at one time at a photoshoot, they wanted her to pose topless and she refused. She didn't want any pics of her PUBLISHED of her topless.
She has also stated that the gay community said she was entitled to her opion, even if they don't agree with her and it's the libs that are the ones making the big deal about it.
I think the whole Ordeal is STUPID
I couldnt care less about what she thinks about Gay Marriage..
I honestly believe it was a stupid question to even ask someone in a pageant and expect them to answer Honestly..
The Girl is a model who poses topless or whatever.. for dirty websites.. and she believes its a sin for gays to get married.. I see it as Ironic.. but, I really think people made a bigger deal about it than what it was.
Quote from: EricShane on May 18, 2009, 02:51:05 AM
I think the whole Ordeal is STUPID
I couldnt care less about what she thinks about Gay Marriage..
I honestly believe it was a stupid question to even ask someone in a pageant and expect them to answer Honestly..
The Girl is a model who poses topless or whatever.. for dirty websites.. and she believes its a sin for gays to get married.. I see it as Ironic.. but, I really think people made a bigger deal about it than what it was.
I repeat:
QuoteShe also said at one time at a photoshoot, they wanted her to pose topless and she refused. She didn't want any pics of her PUBLISHED of her topless.
Sean Hanity also said some of the so-called pics of her came out after her opinion and many of them were
Photoshopped. Not really her.
Quote from: Sis on May 18, 2009, 03:03:55 AM
Quote from: EricShane on May 18, 2009, 02:51:05 AM
I think the whole Ordeal is STUPID
I couldnt care less about what she thinks about Gay Marriage..
I honestly believe it was a stupid question to even ask someone in a pageant and expect them to answer Honestly..
The Girl is a model who poses topless or whatever.. for dirty websites.. and she believes its a sin for gays to get married.. I see it as Ironic.. but, I really think people made a bigger deal about it than what it was.
I repeat:
QuoteShe also said at one time at a photoshoot, they wanted her to pose topless and she refused. She didn't want any pics of her PUBLISHED of her topless.
Sean Hanity also said some of the so-called pics of her came out after her opinion and many of them were Photoshopped. Not really her.
oh okay then.. nevermind.. First Ticket to heaven for her then..
lol jk
oh well..
The sad part about it, for her though.. is because of a stupid question of a matter of opinion her Pageant Career is ruined, the good news is shes had more Publicity than even the Winner! So.. she'll probably have a career being Sarah Palins Piano player at her anti-gay church or something.. LOL jk
NO NO NO NO Not the first ticket to her. She claims to be a Christian but is a model. HMMM not that compatable in my mind. Anyway, WE on Godplace deserve the first tickets. After all, this IS GODplace, isn't it?
She is having more publicity over what the libs did to her than if she had won. Right now, nobody can remember who the winner was but they know her. So it's doing some good I guess, for her popularity. :laughhard:
Stupid libs. What they tried to do backfired and made her more famous.
Eric,
Do you believe gay marriage is a sin?
Quote from: bishopnl on May 18, 2009, 01:39:36 PM
Eric,
Do you believe gay marriage is a sin?
well.. I dont know..
seriously?
Quotewell.. I dont know..
Do you believe practicing homosexuality is a sin?
Quote from: bishopnl on May 18, 2009, 05:12:31 PM
Quotewell.. I dont know..
Do you believe practicing homosexuality is a sin?
Yeah.. I guess so
QuoteYeah.. I guess so
Do you mind if I ask why the reticence? Are you not sure that scripture teaches against the practice of homosexuality, or what?
nate why does it matter what eric thinks of homosexuality especially if you are so grounded in your own ideas and his views wouldn't persuade you either way?
i know.. im wondering what his point is.. I cant tell if hes being the 'nice helpful honest christian' or the 'Caniving sinical christian' lol.. either way about it..
It doesnt matter.. I couldnt care less about Gay Marriage wether its right or wrong..
:cry:
It's that exact lackadaisical attitude that will undermine any attempt to teach morals and values to the next generation.
And that's exactly why we should care a great deal about these things...
Okay then.. You guys worry about all that stuff.. Ill just keep doing what Praying ive started and keep trying to move up and do better for myself.
Quote from: Chérie on May 19, 2009, 12:17:49 AM
nate why does it matter what eric thinks of homosexuality especially if you are so grounded in your own ideas and his views wouldn't persuade you either way?
Because based on his comments, I'd just like to know where he stands.
I believe homosexuality is a sin. And I believe supporting or excusing homosexual behavior is a sin. Based on some of the commentary given here, I wasn't sure whether Eric felt the same. It's not a matter of "persuasion of views"...I just like to know where a person is coming from.
Quotei know.. im wondering what his point is.. I cant tell if hes being the 'nice helpful honest christian' or the 'Caniving sinical christian' lol.. either way about it..
:-? I'm not sure what is meant here. I'm not trying to help you or be cynical either one. I just want to know what you believe about homosexuality, so I can understand where you are coming from. I have no problem saying, unequivocally, that homosexual behavior is a sin, and I do not believe that anyone who supports or practices homosexual behavior is saved. It was unclear to me if you felt this way, so I asked for clarification's sake.
hypothetical question for nate -
what if a person were homosexual but stopped or never engaged in that activity? would they still be in sin?
??? Is that anything like being a murderer but never having actually killed anyone?
:hypocrite:
then i think they are trying to overcome...but as long as they still have those feelings/desires, i think they need to pray for deliverance..
Quote from: Chérie on May 19, 2009, 02:51:38 PM
hypothetical question for nate -
what if a person were homosexual but stopped or never engaged in that activity? would they still be in sin?
As Ben points out, the hypothetical doesn't hold up. I don't consider someone to be a homosexual unless they act upon those desires. A person who struggles with homosexual impulses but overcomes them wouldn't be any more of a sinner than the person who struggles to overcome fornication and does so. But just like a person isn't a fornicator until they fornicate, why would I consider someone to be a homosexual who doesn't engage in homosexual activity?
you can be heterosexual and not engage in "heterosexual activity" doesn't the same apply with homosexuals?
Maybe not. Maybe asexual until they start.
Quote from: Chérie on May 20, 2009, 05:06:05 AM
you can be heterosexual and not engage in "heterosexual activity" doesn't the same apply with homosexuals?
This is exactly the point Nate was making. If you are heterosexual and don't engage in immoral sexual activity - regardless how much your tempted - there is no sin involved. You are just a straight person trying to keep from straying. Same applies to the homosexual. You can have homosexual tendencies, but unless you actually engage in sexual activity there is no sin.
However, Jesus said in Matthew 5:28, "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." The same could be said of the homosexual. If he (or she) looks upon someone of the same sex to lust after them, they've already sinned. It's as important for the homosexual to refrain from lust as it is the heterosexual.
well.. the moral of the story today is.. Either way about it, its a sin to lust after anybody, animal, mineral or vegetable.. lol whatever..
i find myself in a conundrum. politically i support gay rights. spiritually i don't align myself with the conservative mainstream, but neither do i condone homosexual activity... for me, it is what it is. their sin is no greater than mine. however, the church and many christians in general, view homosexual sin as the ultimate transgression against God.
Sexual sin is among the hardest to overcome. And I don't know of too many people who hold sexual sins to be worse than any other sin except to say it's so hard to overcome, many fail.
honestly I do not know many if anyone who thinks it's a worse sin but more along the lines as a more dangerous because it is a powerful stronghold. That doesn't make it worse, but like Sis. said, harder. And it seems while there is a lot of hiding or shame with sin in general, nowadays it seems that there is a stronger boldness and violent demeanor with those that defend homosexuality. It's like they are the top of coolness as long as they are unchallenged but hate comes out the woodwork when someone comes along that doesn't acknowledge it's ok.
I don't know though cause culture, enviroment, and generation all play into our perspectives.
I support human rights period. But not special treatment for something so vile. I literally don't care if the government recognizes my marriage for tax breaks or insurance, it's more a moral/religious thing.
Quote from: Chérie on May 20, 2009, 09:18:07 PM
i find myself in a conundrum. politically i support gay rights. spiritually i don't align myself with the conservative mainstream, but neither do i condone homosexual activity... for me, it is what it is. their sin is no greater than mine. however, the church and many christians in general, view homosexual sin as the ultimate transgression against God.
I don't believe the state has any authority over an institution such as marriage. I also don't believe that two homosexuals marrying is a legitimate marriage in the eyes of God, no matter what the state says. States should not dabble in such issues, much less cram down someone's throat the idea that something is legitimate regardless of their belief system.
And the last part of the quote is a strawman. No one here is arguing that.
Sexual sin is what it is. It is something that I think all of us (some more than others, perhaps) have struggled with to some extent. My sister is an avowed lesbian, but I have never seen her sins as more potent or damning than some of the things I've done over the years.
As Sis said, sexual sins are the most difficult to overcome. I know that in my personal struggle (not homosexual sin, btw), I have sometimes reached such a level of despair that it seemed as though there was absolutely no hope for me. I often liken the struggle against sexual sin and temptation to a man drowning in the open ocean, both hands tied behind his back and no land in sight. It's like you're struggling, trying to keep your head above water and having to use your entire reserve of strength because you have no assistance from any quarter, but the waves are constantly washing over you and there is simply nothing on which to get footing. It is, very literally, a struggle for your very (spiritual) life.
So, when I hear someone like EricShane, who has such a nonchalant attitude about such a vital topic, it gives me cause to be concerned. Because while he may have never struggled with sexual sin and temptation and the despair that comes with it, there are many that have and continue to do so.
Quote from: BenJammin on May 20, 2009, 10:52:06 PM
So, when I hear someone like EricShane, who has such a nonchalant attitude about such a vital topic, it gives me cause to be concerned. Because while he may have never struggled with sexual sin and temptation and the despair that comes with it, there are many that have and continue to do so.
:eyebrow:
Quote from: bishopnl on May 20, 2009, 10:42:05 PM
Quote from: Chérie on May 20, 2009, 09:18:07 PM
i find myself in a conundrum. politically i support gay rights. spiritually i don't align myself with the conservative mainstream, but neither do i condone homosexual activity... for me, it is what it is. their sin is no greater than mine. however, the church and many christians in general, view homosexual sin as the ultimate transgression against God.
I don't believe the state has any authority over an institution such as marriage. I also don't believe that two homosexuals marrying is a legitimate marriage in the eyes of God, no matter what the state says. States should not dabble in such issues, much less cram down someone's throat the idea that something is legitimate regardless of their belief system.
And the last part of the quote is a strawman. No one here is arguing that.
whatever nate. i was not presenting a strawman argument. i was addressing a mindset found within the christian faith, a mindset that i have heard with my own ears from the pulpit, and a mindset that is found within prominent christian mainstream media. the statements made previously by ben drive my point home. all sin can cause despair, not just certain sexual sins - look at the drug addicts.
i do agree with your ideas on state legislating marriage, its not the governments role to do so. however many do not hold that view, and they want the government to sanction "their" rights, while disenfranchising others. the state shouldn't pick and choose what is legal between two consenting adults.
Quotewhatever nate. i was not presenting a strawman argument. i was addressing a mindset found within the christian faith, a mindset that i have heard with my own ears from the pulpit, and a mindset that is found within prominent christian mainstream media. the statements made previously by ben drive my point home. all sin can cause despair, not just certain sexual sins - look at the drug addicts.
i do agree with your ideas on state legislating marriage, its not the governments role to do so. however many do not hold that view, and they want the government to sanction "their" rights, while disenfranchising others. the state shouldn't pick and choose what is legal between two consenting adults.
I know that that mindset is to be found among some Christians. But no one here has asserted this. And I don't think the mindset is quite as prevalent as you describe, but again, since that's not an issue in this discussion, I'm not going to argue about it. I don't think Ben is in anyway indicative of this, however...I think the point is just being made that some sins have a greater pull, consequences, etc. than others. In a spiritual sense all sin is death, but in a more natural sense, some sins are more addictive and harder to break free from than others. Drug abuse and lust certainly would both fall into this category, and I doubt Ben would dispute that.
And the state picks and chooses what is done between two legal, consenting adults all the time. And since the state is intent on enforcing a view of morality, it is hard for me to blame people for fighting for THEIR view of morality to be enforced. I don't support gay marriage, I support the state staying out of marriage altogether.
I've seen this type of thing on these sites for a long time. We are discussing one subject, so someone thinks we think this subject is worse than any other.
A preacher preaches on one subject a few times, he's told that he is thinking that one sin is worse than others. That's just the subject at hand. Not all sins. I've seen pastors preach more on one thing tban others because there's a problem in THAT church/city similar to what they're preaching about. That doesn't mean he's thinking that sin is worse than others. I may just mean he's discussed it with someone and it was on his mind, or there's a problem like it in his city or even his church and he's dealing with it.
Most of the time we don't know what others are thinking. We humans like to project our feelings into others and say that's what they think.
Quote from: Sis on May 21, 2009, 02:26:09 AM
I've seen this type of thing on these sites for a long time. We are discussing one subject, so someone thinks we think this subject is worse than any other.
A preacher preaches on one subject a few times, he's told that he is thinking that one sin is worse than others. That's just the subject at hand. Not all sins. I've seen pastors preach more on one thing tban others because there's a problem in THAT church/city similar to what they're preaching about. That doesn't mean he's thinking that sin is worse than others. I may just mean he's discussed it with someone and it was on his mind, or there's a problem like it in his city or even his church and he's dealing with it.
Most of the time we don't know what others are thinking. We humans like to project our feelings into others and say that's what they think.
that IS true.. i have to watch myself on that..
I can't name how many times I have heard, "You think you are......" so great, important, better than me because you're thin, etc. And I never had such a thought. We need to ask what people think and not tell them. :thumbsup2:
Quote from: Chérie on May 20, 2009, 11:28:10 PM...the statements made previously by ben drive my point home. all sin can cause despair, not just certain sexual sins - look at the drug addicts...
Quote from: bishopnl on May 21, 2009, 01:02:03 AM...I don't think Ben is in anyway indicative of this, however...I think the point is just being made that some sins have a greater pull, consequences, etc. than others. In a spiritual sense all sin is death, but in a more natural sense, some sins are more addictive and harder to break free from than others. Drug abuse and lust certainly would both fall into this category, and I doubt Ben would dispute that...
OK, Danielle, let me clarify this for you. I don't think that the bonds of sexual sin are any greater than those of drug addiction. I have never dealt with drug addiction or alcoholism in my own life, so I don't have the advantage of personal experience. I have however, watched the struggles of some of those in my family as they dealt with their addictions to drugs and alcohol. Although I have no personal experience in these arenas, I believe that those bonds are at least as strong as those of sexual sin.
One thing I would like to point out here is that drug addiction or alcoholism, by and large, is extremely difficult to keep secret. Those things of a sexual nature, on the other hand, are
very easily hidden.
THAT is what makes the difference, IMOSHO...
Quote from: Sis on May 21, 2009, 02:26:09 AM
Most of the time we don't know what others are thinking. We humans like to project our feelings into others and say that's what they think.
so you're projecting on me now...
QuoteI support the state staying out of marriage altogether.
i completely agree with your observation. i think its ludaricrous that when we get married we have to buy a license to be legitimate. marriage is between two people, not the state. the government can't/shouldn't legislate a commitment two people have for one another.
Quote from: Chérie on May 21, 2009, 05:31:22 AM
Quote from: Sis on May 21, 2009, 02:26:09 AM
Most of the time we don't know what others are thinking. We humans like to project our feelings into others and say that's what they think.
so you're projecting on me now...
I'm sorry! Where did I mention you? I believe I said
WE humans?
yup i saw what you said. but you're assuming that those are my feelings and my motivations and i am projecting them on others. since you said we, i'm guess you really meant you.
:reaction:
how can you chose to support the rights of something that is clearly an ABOMINATION to God....how can u defend rights of homosexuality...
Quote from: Chérie on May 21, 2009, 01:51:42 PM
yup i saw what you said. but you're assuming that those are my feelings and my motivations and i am projecting them on others. since you said we, i'm guess you really meant you.
Not playing your little game.
Quote from: *mesipie* on May 21, 2009, 04:09:06 PM
how can you chose to support the rights of something that is clearly an ABOMINATION to God....how can u defend rights of homosexuality...
thanks mesipie for proving my point. what is an abomination to God? sin? murder? fornication? adultery? homosexuality? lying? stealing? judgemental attitudes and hypocrisy? i think they are all abominations to God. i have no problem with homosexuality being called a sin, it just amazes me that no one gets up in arms over lying and stealing, or even murder the way they do homosexuality.
how can i support something that is such an
abomination? because its not the government's job to legislate morality between consenting adults and what they choose to do . just like its not the governments job to tell you how you should live your life or believe what you believe. the government has no role in the private affairs of its citizens.
a big problem Christian People dont get, is they are Sinners that have been redeemed.. they are No better than anybody else, and the bible clearly states that.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (King James Version)
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Most Preachers stop there..
11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
I think they get it, I just think they forget sometimes.
Yes, we are sinners saved by grace. But...that doesn't abolish our obligation to speak out against sin where we see it. I think everyone involved in this discussion would agree that we are to love the sinner, but hate the sin.
Quote from: Chérie on May 21, 2009, 07:54:29 PM
what is an abomination to God? sin? murder? fornication? adultery? homosexuality? lying? stealing? judgemental attitudes and hypocrisy? i think they are all abominations to God. i have no problem with homosexuality being called a sin, it just amazes me that no one gets up in arms over lying and stealing, or even murder the way they do homosexuality.
i do
The whole of the country gets up in arms about stealing and murder. But they're saying that homosexuality is ok. That's what people are getting up in arms about. Not only the homosexuality but the world that says there's nothing wrong with it.
i for one never have supported gay marriage.. I just dont believe in getting all westboro baptist church about it
Westboro is a whole different ball game. They are the antithesis of the message Jesus preached.
um... I get upset about murder, etc. too. Like this abortion dr. that was murdered this week. It's upsetting! The man was not right. He needed not to have been given the the liberty terminate pregnancies. Maybe should even be a person that should not be allowed to practice any type of medicine. But in no way shape or form was it anyone's right but God's to take his life. His time was stolen. What if he would've eventually repented?! What if he would've gotten saved?! His life was worth something or God would not have created him.
and on top of all of that, it only takes an idiot here or there to make anti-abortionists or Christians to look hateful.
True! We have been blamed for all the bombings of abortion centers, too.