Well folks, better get used to saying "President Obama," since that's what we'll be saying for the next four years. Here are a few of my thoughts, feel free to comment and share yours.
First off, this election will bring change to this country. We all know that. What kinds of change, to what degree this nation moves closer to being a socialistic country, only time will tell. However, we can be certain that we will lose some freedoms, morality in law will be eroded further, and government will intrude further on the lives of private citizens. We can expect a weakened military and more terror attacks on US interests around the world, and God forbid, on our homeland.
Since the campaign is over, I blame (aside from my fellow Americans for being unable or unwilling to see through the rhetoric) the Obama victory on the national Republican party. It has as an organization moved away from the conservative values to which it used to adhere, and moved to a more centrist position. No longer does it believe in the Constitution as the foundation law for our country. In addition to that, I place significant blame on the so-called "religious right", the James Dobsons, the Gary Bauers, and others who only vote based purely on a few specific issues (abortion, gay marriage, etc), and in large part ignore other important issues (immigration, economics, etc), and supported a moderate candidate, Gov. Huckabee, for the GOP nomination. That support split the party vote, and allowed another moderate, John McCain, to gain the nomination. After that took place, the same people didn't want to support McCain. Some people you just can't please.
But, regardless of all that, for us as Christians, our hope is not in Washington. After the outcome became clear, Julie and I walked our dogs out to the end of the driveway and enjoyed the clear, cool night, and talked about this event. For many people, both liberal and conservative, their hope is in what happens in DC, and being able to get their man into office. Not so for us. We are not of this world, our hope is not to be found in mans government. Scripture teaches that God rules in the affairs of man, and the heart of the king is in the hand of the Lord. Regardless of who is in the Oval Office, God is our trust, and we live in the palm of His hand.
If that's true and not media hype, it MIGHT mean that anyone who disagrees with the government (the president) will get either shut out or harassed by HIS media.
Churches will probably not be tax exempt anymore. If we're going to be allowed to have churches. I fear for our freedoms.
The man hates free enterprise. Hates the United States. Doesn't care about the constitution. Maybe he's the next Hitler. *groan*
yes. and after he rounds up all the white people to work camps, he's going to set fire to washington, sell hawaii to the chinese, burn the declaration of independence and release the 4 horses spoken of in revelations to all corners of the earth.
its the end of days! :tantrum:
I dislike Florida right now. I REALLY dislike Florida. I feel like I betrayed my country, eventhough I did my part to try and stop the Obamanation.
I feel the same way about Iowa.
Dani... He won't sell Hawaii. They voted for him.
And thanks for those remarks about our trust being in God, Dinner. Someone else mentioned (newkris, I believe) that in another thread I think..
Reminds me of that verse... says something like 'Be still and know that I am God." We give Him us, our trusts, our worries, our joys in life.. He's still God. :)
But yay - it's over! :) Now I can go back to viewing regularly scheduled television programming - without those annoying ads! haha.. And those YARD signs! :) Mine never came, so I can sooo complain, LOL.
Quote from: Nelle on November 05, 2008, 07:33:17 AM
Dani... He won't sell Hawaii. They voted for him.
haha - no, he'll sell Alaska back to the Ruskies. Get back at Palin. ;)
Alaska still isnt decided yet.
Go ahead! Make fun but he hates this country. He has said many things about it. Doesn't care about the constitution, hates free enterprise and wants to take your hard-earned dollars and give them to people who won't work.
But we'll see IF he really won, and if he did, let's see how much damage he can do in four years.
He did win Sis, with the electoral votes, AND John McCain conceded right before they got Cali. He DID win.
I'm thinking John McCain's concession about seals it. Unless the vast left-wing conspiracy had a gun to McCain's back at his press conference. :cool:
McCains concession speech was a good speech tho... and yea Obama won it wasn't even a close win lol
Not EVEN close...once we lost Ohio, it was over.
McCains speech was VERY good, and he made Sarah cry.
Yea he did :( and i liked her.....
haha.. Aww.. :/
I missed the concession speech, but I saw Obama's speech. For some reason, I'm listening to MSNBC's Live Coverage, haha. I never like listening to it... but.. I dunno. haha.
Palin is neat. She'll continue to succeed elsewhere. :)
:o
"Over"? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! .... Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?? Heck no! And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough ... errrrrr ... [thinks hard] ... the tough get goin'! Now, who's with me? :loopy:
............ But seriously, folks - it's definitely not "over". In fact, it is only beginning.
:shudder:
Quote from: jdcord on November 05, 2008, 08:45:01 AM
............ But seriously, folks - it's definitely not "over". In fact, it is only beginning.
:shudder:
Unfortunately that's true. And half of it might not even show up during his four years in office. Like so many times in the past, when a president does something, good or bad, it doesn't become final until the next president takes office.... and he usually takes credit, too. :sadbounce:
Quote from: Sis on November 05, 2008, 07:39:05 AM
Go ahead! Make fun but he hates this country. He has said many things about it. Doesn't care about the constitution, hates free enterprise and wants to take your hard-earned dollars and give them to people who won't work.
But we'll see IF he really won, and if he did, let's see how much damage he can do in four years.
So Obama hates America huh? I am trying to wrap my mind around how you can possibly know this to be true...and I am failing. During the worst parts of George Bush's presidency (when he was making decisions that were disasterous to the American people) I never had the gall to say that he "hated" America.
So...I guess now the only thing to do is to sit back and wait (maybe even hope) for something bad to happen so you can say "I told you so".
QuoteUnfortunately that's true. And half of it might not even show up during his four years in office. Like so many times in the past, when a president does something, good or bad, it doesn't become final until the next president takes office.... and he usually takes credit, too.
HAhahahahahahahhahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*wipes away tear*
Talk about covering your bases...This way if things are looking good during Obama's administration, you can still say "Just wait until the bad stuff happens". You could keep saying that up until Armageddon itself...and still be right. Bravo.
Neville Johnson:
Whatever we condone, we come under the power of. When a leader endorses abortion or homosexuality, that leader gives those spirits free reign in whatever authority he functions in.
If a president endorses abortion, he gives permission for murder to flood the nationbecause those spirits have been given permission by the highest authority in the land.
A governor of a state will do the same. Also if a pastor endorses abortion, he brings the entire congregation under that spirit.
What a husband and wife endorse through what they vote for will affect their household. This is the principle.
As a husband, it is important that you understand that what you condone opens the door to those spirits to flow in. If you condone righteousness, you allow the angels of God to flow in and do their work. That is why you need to continue to pray. This thing is not settled.
God has some great things for this nation. It just depends what route you are going to take. There are some good times ahead for the church for those who choose right. Your destiny will be affected by how you vote.
I received this email yesterday. The authors name is at the top. It is from a Charismatic preacher but is still very true. God will be with us according as we ourselves have done. You are can do nothing except vote for what we feel is right. After we have done that it will determine how the blessing of God will fall on us as individuals. Our concern is that we each voted our heart and what we really felt to be the right thing. God will take care of those who do right. Our destiny as an individual is far more important to God than who won an election. Our hope and trust should always stay with Jesus Christ. Our prayers should be for our leaders no matter who they are or what they stand for.
Now it is time to see if all the so called Christians really believe and stand for what they say they do, or if it all just a lot of talk. Prayer is more important than your vote.
Quote from: Brother Dad on November 05, 2008, 03:29:49 PM
Neville Johnson:
Whatever we condone, we come under the power of. When a leader endorses abortion or homosexuality, that leader gives those spirits free reign in whatever authority he functions in.
If a president endorses abortion, he gives permission for murder to flood the nationbecause those spirits have been given permission by the highest authority in the land.
A governor of a state will do the same. Also if a pastor endorses abortion, he brings the entire congregation under that spirit.
What a husband and wife endorse through what they vote for will affect their household. This is the principle.
As a husband, it is important that you understand that what you condone opens the door to those spirits to flow in. If you condone righteousness, you allow the angels of God to flow in and do their work. That is why you need to continue to pray. This thing is not settled.
God has some great things for this nation. It just depends what route you are going to take. There are some good times ahead for the church for those who choose right. Your destiny will be affected by how you vote.
First of all, this Neville Johnson guy is a raving lunatic.
Secondly - McCain wasn't going to do anything about abortion. So in that sense - he supported it. Abortion isn't even an issue anymore, except for the Christian Right.
I believe that abortion is a viable procedure in some cases. I don't believe that it should be used for birth control.
I am not talking about the abortion issue. I am talking about the part that your vote will effect your individual life. Not the outcome of the election. If abortion was all we as a country had to be concerned with we would have very little problems. But the fact is, whatever a person allows or condones will effect the outcome of their individual life. Again the writer uses abortion not me. If I voted what I feel in my heart to be right, I don't need to worry about the outcome of the election.
Quote from: Chérie on November 05, 2008, 03:41:33 PM
Secondly - McCain wasn't going to do anything about abortion. So in that sense - he supported it. Abortion isn't even an issue anymore, except for the Christian Right.
And you are right there was not a whole lot of difference in the two except age. The point is did we vote for what we felt to be right. If so stand behind Obama and pray for God to Bless America as we should no matter who won.
As far as abortion goes, Roe v. Wade should be overturned and the issue sent back to to states where it really belongs. Allow the people of the individual states to have a say in what the laws of that particular state are.
Quote from: BenJammin on November 05, 2008, 05:29:20 PM
As far as abortion goes, Roe v. Wade should be overturned and the issue sent back to to states where it really belongs. Allow the people of the individual states to have a say in what the laws of that particular state are.
wow you have got some lofty hopes there.
hate to shatter your dreams but it won't ever happen.
I didn't say it would happen. What I said was, "...should be...".
Of course, the fact that the federal government continues to infringe on yet another of the states rights should make all the ultra-libs feel all warm & fuzzy inside... :roll:
Quote from: BenJammin on November 05, 2008, 05:29:20 PM
As far as abortion goes, Roe v. Wade should be overturned and the issue sent back to to states where it really belongs. Allow the people of the individual states to have a say in what the laws of that particular state are.
I concur. This is one of the many issues that should be decided on a state level, not from DC.
Quote from: BenJammin on November 05, 2008, 05:53:00 PM
I didn't say it would happen. What I said was, "...should be...".
Of course, the fact that the federal government continues to infringe on yet another the states rights should make all the ultra-libs feel all warm & fuzzy inside... :roll:
not so much.
however the abortion issue has taken a backseat with both parties. its an issue that no one wants to deal with - its political suicide.
again, the word abortion has been perverted. when you say abortion everyone automatically assumes the worst form of birth control. there are times when it is a viable medical procedure - who is the state government to tell me what to do with my body? as a free citizen i should have that right.
The right to murder.
The right to take an innocent human and rip their arms and legs from their body. Abortion is murder in the wost kind of way. It is God that should give life or take it.
Chérie, except for birth control is exactly what it's mostly used for, under the guise of extreme few and far between circumstances. Especially when it comes to partial birth abortion.
Exactly. By Planned Parenthood's own numbers, something like less than 1% of all abortions are to save the life of the mother.
what about when the child dies in the womb? or is given 0 chance of life expectancy. should the mother have to wait nine months to grieve for the loss of her child?
Then it wouldn't be an abortion. Abortion today is commonly recognized as the deliberate termination of an otherwise viable pregnancy.
How many are actually cases like that Chérie? Few and far between all the MILLIONS of selfish women and teens who don't want to have to deal with thier "mistake" but don't want to keep their pants zipped either.
MILLIONS of healthy babies.
The world wants to make us think you CAN have it both ways, you can be premiscuous and not have to have any consequences but it just isn't true.
Quote from: BenJammin on November 05, 2008, 08:11:49 PM
Then it wouldn't be an abortion. Abortion today is commonly recognized as the deliberate termination of an otherwise viable pregnancy.
I think techincally its still called an abortion. Or at least, thats what my doctor called it.
I'm sorry for your loss...not sure if I had told you before. The technical term may apply in the doctors office, but that's not what the populace at large understands abortion to be.
For the sake of argument, let's assume abortion is defined as follows - ...the deliberate termination of an otherwise viable pregnancy.
which is unethical and i think disgusting.
but how do you legislate it? how do you tell one woman that it is ok to terminate her pregnancy due to things beyond her control, and then tell another woman she cannot terminate because of choice?
Quote from: Chérie on November 05, 2008, 08:04:02 PM
what about when the child dies in the womb? or is given 0 chance of life expectancy. should the mother have to wait nine months to grieve for the loss of her child?
If the baby dies in the womb that is not a woman terminating the life of the Baby. If the baby has 0 chance then I would say that would be up to God not the woman. I have heard of woman who were given little or no chance of the baby surviving having healthy babies.
I too again am sorry for your loss, but I do not feel at anytime I have the right to try and be God.
Quote from: Chérie on November 05, 2008, 08:35:35 PM
which is unethical and i think disgusting.
but how do you legislate it? how do you tell one woman that it is ok to terminate her pregnancy due to things beyond her control, and then tell another woman she cannot terminate because of choice?
First of all you can never legislate morality. It is not that I feel we can stop all abortions. I just don't feel we should endorse them. And I sure don't like our tax dollars paying for them. Just because the government says it is a choice, does not change the fact it is murder of an innocent human life. A tiny life that has no voice to speak for itself. No one to cry for the baby's rights. We should not endorse the a live abortion.
As far as your question, facts make all the difference in the world. If the baby is dead is far different then if the baby is alive and will die from our actions.
Gee, it worked for a couple of centuries up to now. People weren't allowed to kill babies.
BTW, when a baby dies in the womb, it usually self-aborts. It would be considered still born. There are a few rare cases where the fetus isn't expelled after it passes away. But when a doctor removes the child, it has always been allowed in medicine.
Isn't it funny when a child is wanted, it's a baby. When it's not wanted it's a fetus.
Quote from: Chérie on November 05, 2008, 08:35:35 PM
which is unethical and i think disgusting.
but how do you legislate it? how do you tell one woman that it is ok to terminate her pregnancy due to things beyond her control, and then tell another woman she cannot terminate because of choice?
You don't, you let it be a case by case situation. Since in reality those are SO FEW compared to the birth control ones, it shouldn't be as hard as it sounds. There has and will always be dr.s that will do such things for the mother's safety, even if some have a moral conflict with it.
Letting the government become involved has backfired big time so that legislation NEVER covers the unique circumstances of every situation, and the lines get wider and wider until we're letting/on the verge of letting, teens get abortions without parental consent and our tax $$ paying for it.
Not every good idea is good in application.
Meanwhile, back at the thread...
Perhaps God continues to allow the USA to get what it deserves every four years.
And perhaps the policies and actions of a President Obama will not be as extreme as the highest hopes of his supporters (free health care! free college! free housing! free money at taxtime! immediate withdrawal from Iraq!) -or- as the worst fears of his opponents (socialist welfare state! bankrupting industries through punitive regulation! immense tax increases for those earning more than $XXX! appeasement of terrorists! trashing the constitution!).
Let's try to stay informed of the decisions that legislators and executives make and let them know- letters, phone calls, emails- when we do not approve. ESPECIALLY when nomination of supreme court justices (see below) comes around, as it will. Unfortunately we cannot rely on mainstream media to keep us informed, and office-holders themselves love to do dark deeds in secret.
PS. Abortion is murder. Aborters, assisters, and conspirers deserve prison terms- the more abortions, the longer the terms. Yes, the pregnant woman who orders an abortion is like a mother who takes out a contract with a killer on her own kid. The pro-abortion people are counting on religious conservatives to become uneasy and uncomfortable with the question of punishing the pathetic should-be moms if and when abortion again becomes a criminal act.
Quote from: Sis on November 05, 2008, 09:34:46 PM
Gee, it worked for a couple of centuries up to now. People weren't allowed to kill babies.
not sure where you got your info, but as long as women have been having babies there has been abortion. it was a little more crude back then. instead of sterile environment, women would use wire coat hangers, take nasty potions, visit quacks in some dirty alley.
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0856467.html this is a nonpartisan website with a little bit of info. if you want you can take the time to look up more info, but its a well known fact that abortion isn't some phenomenon that started occurring in the 20th century.
Murder started with Cain.
performing it with sterility doesn't make it better at all!
They did it before but not by such grand numbers and so casually. And it wasn't some celebrated "right."
I never did understand the, "because God designed human life to grow in my body, I therefore have the right to kill it." how completely self absorbed of an idea. It's IN a woman's body, but it is still not HER body she's killing.
Quote from: Chérie on November 05, 2008, 10:21:34 PM
Quote from: Sis on November 05, 2008, 09:34:46 PM
Gee, it worked for a couple of centuries up to now. People weren't allowed to kill babies.
not sure where you got your info, but as long as women have been having babies there has been abortion. it was a little more crude back then. instead of sterile environment, women would use wire coat hangers, take nasty potions, visit quacks in some dirty alley.
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0856467.html this is a nonpartisan website with a little bit of info. if you want you can take the time to look up more info, but its a well known fact that abortion isn't some phenomenon that started occurring in the 20th century.
Not sure where you got your information but illegal abortions weren't as prevelent as some would have you believe. They blew a few cases out of proportion to get the country to feel sorry for the poor women and passed Roe V wade. I remember seeing movies where the poor woman had to struggle to get one in a back room. TV cop shows, too. Total propaganda that was shown to the public to get the public to feel sorry for the poor woman who took her life in her hands to get rid of her child.
At first, they told people abortion was only for those who needed abortions for the health of the mothers and the babies. Actually, the wording right from the beginning allowed abortion for any reason. And it wasn't a year before they started using it for birth control.
Abortion is used to cover wrong doing (sin if you will). A girl who doesn't want her parents to know she's sexually active. A wife who doesn't want her husband to know she's been messing around. Those women who don't make their "choice" BEFORE a child comes, and use birth control. Killing babies to cover up wrong doing is a horrible way to do things.
Most mothers who opt abortion have mental problems afterward. They hide it but they all have problems with the killing of their children.
NOTE: I'm NOT talking about babies who die before being born, that's another thing altogether. I'm talking about abortion to cover wrong-doing. Using it for birth control.
And I don't have to get my information anywhere. Remember, I was around before Roe V Wade. I've lived it.
Quote from: MellowYellow on November 05, 2008, 10:57:09 PM
performing it with sterility doesn't make it better at all!
They did it before but not by such grand numbers and so casually. And it wasn't some celebrated "right."
I never did understand the, "because God designed human life to grow in my body, I therefore have the right to kill it." how completely self absorbed of an idea. It's IN a woman's body, but it is still not HER body she's killing.
Right. Actually, it's not your body. The baby has it's own systems. It's own blood type. Many times their blood type isn't compatable with the mother's. They have their own heart that's beating. They are a separate being living within the mother while it grows to the point of viability.
As long as it's heart is beating, it is a separate being. It's not the mother's own body. It's two bodies. Separate and indivicual. As most mothers can tell you as their children grow older.
I knew a guy that I went to school with. Got shot and killed while trying to rob a store. If they would legalize stealing then he would not have gotten killed.
well, I guess we won't have to worry about Palin's skirt...
I am not going to worry at all. My hope is in Jesus Christ.
Quote from: Charlene on November 06, 2008, 08:58:00 AM
well, I guess we won't have to worry about Palin's skirt...
:spitlaugh:
That made me BOL!!
Quote from: Charlene on November 06, 2008, 08:58:00 AM
well, I guess we won't have to worry about Palin's skirt...
:laughat:
Quote from: Charlene on November 06, 2008, 08:58:00 AM
well, I guess we won't have to worry about Palin's skirt...
:laughhard:
Actually, I heard on the radio today that close to 70% of voting Republicans favor Palin as the PRESIDENTIAL candidate for 2012!! :o
Fear the skirt!
:biglaugh:
haha...
I have to admit. McCain was smoked for me until he chose Palin.. then I saw them more favorably. I'm not exactly sure why, haha.
I heard someone say and I think I agree, that when McCain chose Palin, even though he himself was not the most conservative, he at least could identify one and choose them. So he gets credit for at least choosing a real conservative. She is not perfect, but I think she's smarter than she gets credit for. I wonder how many presidents before mega-media said dumb things but it didn't get caught and replayed a million times to show every mistake.
I would have perfer Palin for president.
Sounds good. :thumbsup2:
:copcar: WARNING!
Let's watch the name-calling and accusations. No political Party has a monopoly on God. Remember that, or this this thread will disappear very quickly. Accordingly, several posts have been removed.
Sincerely,
The Management
Quote from: jdcord on November 10, 2008, 09:00:47 AM
:copcar: WARNING!
Let's watch the name-calling and accusations. No political Party has a monopoly on God. Remember that, or this this thread will disappear very quickly. Accordingly, several posts have been removed.
Sincerely,
The Management
Ouch someone got their hand slapped. While I would not call Apostolics idoits for voting for Obama. I feel it was selfish people all over that sold out what is moral and right because someone promised them a better tomorrow. When it comes to the pocket book people tent to forget their morals and what is Godly. We see in the news Obama's first plan is to reverse a moral stand that Bush took. I can just that creating thousands of jobs for America.
Quote from: Brother Dad on November 10, 2008, 04:07:09 PM
Ouch someone got their hand slapped. While I would not call Apostolics idoits for voting for Obama. I feel it was selfish people all over that sold out what is moral and right because someone promised them a better tomorrow. When it comes to the pocket book people tent to forget their morals and what is Godly. We see in the news Obama's first plan is to reverse a moral stand that Bush took. I can just that creating thousands of jobs for America.
Ok. I can respect that a lot more than I can the idea that God is a Republican. *LOL*
Quote from: Brother Dad on November 10, 2008, 04:07:09 PM
Ouch someone got their hand slapped. While I would not call Apostolics idoits for voting for Obama. I feel it was selfish people all over that sold out what is moral and right because someone promised them a better tomorrow. When it comes to the pocket book people tent to forget their morals and what is Godly. We see in the news Obama's first plan is to reverse a moral stand that Bush took. I can just that creating thousands of jobs for America.
Wow. So people who voted for Obama have no morals now? Please tell me I'm misinterpreting that.
Quote from: jdcord on November 10, 2008, 05:01:15 PM
Quote from: Brother Dad on November 10, 2008, 04:07:09 PM
Ouch someone got their hand slapped. While I would not call Apostolics idoits for voting for Obama. I feel it was selfish people all over that sold out what is moral and right because someone promised them a better tomorrow. When it comes to the pocket book people tent to forget their morals and what is Godly. We see in the news Obama's first plan is to reverse a moral stand that Bush took. I can just that creating thousands of jobs for America.
Ok. I can respect that a lot more than I can the idea that God is a Republican. *LOL*
God is no more a political party than he is an organization. As far as that goes God is a Spirit, he is not a race of people, he does not stereotype. He is the same to every nation, tongue, race, or any other way we have divided ourselves.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world,
Quote from: Chérie on November 10, 2008, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: Brother Dad on November 10, 2008, 04:07:09 PM
Ouch someone got their hand slapped. While I would not call Apostolics idoits for voting for Obama. I feel it was selfish people all over that sold out what is moral and right because someone promised them a better tomorrow. When it comes to the pocket book people tent to forget their morals and what is Godly. We see in the news Obama's first plan is to reverse a moral stand that Bush took. I can just that creating thousands of jobs for America.
Wow. So people who voted for Obama have no morals now? Please tell me I'm misinterpreting that.
yep you miss read me again. They have morals but their pocketbook was more important.
Quote from: Chérie on November 10, 2008, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: Brother Dad on November 10, 2008, 04:07:09 PM
Ouch someone got their hand slapped. While I would not call Apostolics idoits for voting for Obama. I feel it was selfish people all over that sold out what is moral and right because someone promised them a better tomorrow. When it comes to the pocket book people tent to forget their morals and what is Godly. We see in the news Obama's first plan is to reverse a moral stand that Bush took. I can just that creating thousands of jobs for America.
Wow. So people who voted for Obama have no morals now? Please tell me I'm misinterpreting that.
And everybody has some type of morals. Just some don't really stand by what they know is right when the road starts to get tough.
Quote from: Chérie on November 10, 2008, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: Brother Dad on November 10, 2008, 04:07:09 PM
Ouch someone got their hand slapped. While I would not call Apostolics idoits for voting for Obama. I feel it was selfish people all over that sold out what is moral and right because someone promised them a better tomorrow. When it comes to the pocket book people tent to forget their morals and what is Godly. We see in the news Obama's first plan is to reverse a moral stand that Bush took. I can just that creating thousands of jobs for America.
Wow. So people who voted for Obama have no morals now? Please tell me I'm misinterpreting that.
I might agree with Bro. Dad's comments, not as saying that anyone who voted for Obama lacks morals, but that
some who voted for him did so more for what they hoped to personally gain than for the morals in which they claim to believe. And possibly that those who so voted tipped the election in Obama's favor.
Exactly what I meant Brother Titushome. But if we are keeping up with what Obama's plans are, his first order of business is not to try and find a way to help the poor of this country.
I ran into this looking for something else! :laughhard:
(http://images.cafepress.com/product/301892975v17_150x150_Front.jpg)
Oh, my... starting too early on that kind of stuff.
I think it was a joke because most of the buttons on that site were Obama pins.
I didn't vote my pocketbook when voting for Obama.
Quote from: Richard on January 07, 2009, 09:37:59 PM
I didn't vote my pocketbook when voting for Obama.
Don't matter no more. It is what it is. Now it is time to just wait and see. I know my hope and trust was and will still ramian in Jesus Christ. Not whose in the White House.
I'm lost on the pocketbook bit..
Must've been too long ago that I paid attention to these politics.. haha.
It was being suggested that some people voted for Obama because it would be financially benificial to them (I am guessing in that big government handout sort of way).
I was stating that I don't plan to see any financial gain from voting for Obama...I chose him because I believed him to be better suited for the task at hand. As with all things though, the actuality will remain to be seen.
from what I've read and heard, the 2nd bailout is being mostly given to those that don't even pay taxes. In a shaky ecomonic state and big promises of only raising taxes on the "rich", many people I believe voted for THAT instead of the value of life and morals. He made such lofty goals...
It's wrong to take money from those who've worked for it, and give it to those who didn't. That is the essence of communism, and is what Obama campaigned on. Plus, the threshold for "rich" varied from 250k/year to 150k/year...which really isn't all that much, relatively speaking.
Yeah, the "rich" are small business owners. If the taxes goes up on these "rich" small business owners, they will go bankrupt, or have to cut back so they will be even smaller than they are.
Ditto, and to add, the "rich" are the ones who invest the most money into the economy, both in purchases and in capital investments. Punishing them for success just doesn't make sense...unless you believe in taking from the bourgeoisie and giving to the proletariat.
Hence our socialist president. Take from those who are industrious and give to those who won't work. I don't mind paying for Seniors and the handicapped, but when they start listing alcoholism as a handicap I get mad.
Now, we'll see how much he can get away with in these areas. For several generations, they have been moving closer to socialism and we're losing freedoms. Of course, it's for our own good.
Most socialist countries are failing, and Sweden, for one, is losing their population. They aren't replacing the ones who pass away. They aren't at 0 population growth, they're at - population replacement.
These people are a bunch of Robin Hoods. They're robbin' us blind and they're nothing but a bunch of high-paid hoods.
Quote from: Richard on January 21, 2009, 05:08:19 AM
It was being suggested that some people voted for Obama because it would be financially benificial to them (I am guessing in that big government handout sort of way).
I was stating that I don't plan to see any financial gain from voting for Obama...I chose him because I believed him to be better suited for the task at hand. As with all things though, the actuality will remain to be seen.
Ah.. I see. Thanks for the recap. :)
Quote from: Sis on January 21, 2009, 11:18:40 PM
Hence our socialist president. Take from those who are industrious and give to those who won't work. I don't mind paying for Seniors and the handicapped, but when they start listing alcoholism as a handicap I get mad.
Now, we'll see how much he can get away with in these areas. For several generations, they have been moving closer to socialism and we're losing freedoms. Of course, it's for our own good.
Most socialist countries are failing, and Sweden, for one, is losing their population. They aren't replacing the ones who pass away. They aren't at 0 population growth, they're at - population replacement.
These people are a bunch of Robin Hoods. They're robbin' us blind and they're nothing but a bunch of high-paid hoods.
I agree. I don't think any reasonable person has a problem with having our tax money given to those who truely need it, within a reasonable framework to either get them on their feet in a stable job or in contact with a private organization who can properly care for them. But the way that the government hands out money now is a travesty.