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Title: The Donald
Post by: taco_harvell on January 17, 2016, 06:26:41 PM
Can you vote for Donald trump knowing he is pro-choice?

If you can't in the primary, what's different in the general election?
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Roscoe on January 17, 2016, 07:14:27 PM
I can hold my  nose and vote for him, simply because  the two opposing candidates  are more than  just prochoice, they are intent on "transforming our country"....and we see how well that worked for the Christian community  for the last 7 years. That, and Gun control.  I'm  not voting for anyone that wants to trample my constitutional rights.
 But I really don't want to vote for the blithering idiot.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Lynx on January 17, 2016, 08:22:46 PM
He might run the country like he runs a business.

That might be a good thing.  :idea:

Not that I like the man, or that I think he's a stellar choice for president, just something to consider.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: taco_harvell on January 17, 2016, 11:38:19 PM
He's a good salesman, not great at business. Anyone who goes bankrupt in several endeavors isn't the best business guy out there. He's great at playing angles and selling himself. I'd call him more of a gambler.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: SippinTea on January 19, 2016, 04:37:44 AM
Pretty certain I won't be voting for Trump no matter what.  :cool:

:beret:
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Scott on January 19, 2016, 09:39:56 AM
Here is my view on The Election.

1.) NOPE NOPE NOPE to any of the Democrats

As for the other Morons!  (Yes, I said it)

1.) Chris Christie and Jeb Bush

Both are Rhinos. Neither are willing to take a stance and are simply buffoons running on name recognition.  Christie is perhaps the most liberal of the guys running as an Elephant.  His gun and personal rights are in line with the Donkey Party

2.) Carly

Her business record speaks for itself. She says a lot of good things, but she may end up as a Cabinet Secretary.

3.) Carson


As cool as he is, he is boring. Bob Dole was boring, Al Gore was boring and the people said no

4.) Ted Cruz

I do not trust him whatsoever. He is simply a party hack and has been a laughing stock for years.

He does look like Grandpa Munster

(http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/jpg/55402537197176.31439470_r.jpg)


There is something about him that makes me nervous.  One pundit said that visually he looks like the wanted poster of for a pedophile.

My biggest concern is his background.

Child of an American Citizen, child of a Cuban Citizen and born in Canada - not on a military base, not at am embassy and not as the child of a missionary.

According to Cuba - since his father was a Cuban Citizen - he might be able to claim Cuban Citizenship.

Since his mother was American, he can also claim American Citizenship

and since he was born in Canada, he was a native born Canadian.

He is 45 year old and only in the last 18 months has he decided to renounce his Canadian Citizenship - just in time to run for president.

This tells me that he is selfish - he was willing to keep that Canadian Citizenship for 43+ years. Free Health Care!
If he was really sold out to the United States of America, he would have renounced earlier.


Exceptions to the Natural born citizen rule was made for George Romney - Born in Mexico to American Citizens on a Religious Mission.

Another to John McCain, born in an American protectorate to American Citizens.

A law suit was started last week against him and his run. He is fighting it tooth an nail. If he ends up as the Candidate, the Dems will pounce on this and run it into the ground. It will become the issue, and in the long run - he will lose. He will simply be a sacrificial goat.

He is weak and most of his support is from Texas and pundits who are anti Trump.

5.) Trump He says the right things, but do we trust him?

I hear about the bankruptcy issues

Business file Bankruptcy all the time.  Trump has been a risk taker and in the business world, Risk Takers often lose as well as win. History is full of business people that failed before making it big (Macy Dept. Store and Ford Motor Company were started by men that failed many times)

It is part of doing business and most business fail within the 1st 5 years. I worked in business bankruptcy.


Bankruptcy 1: The Trump Taj Mahal, 1991

Chapter 11 Bankruptcy - a business reorganization. Not a liquidation. He lost $900 million of his own money trying to build a casino.  Bottom line - investments go bad, casinos are risky business and often fail.

Bankruptcy 2: Trump Plaza Hotel, 1992

He paid $390 Million for the Plaza Hotel and tried to improve it. He failed and again a Chapter 11 was filed.


QuoteThe NY Times said: ''REPRINTS
A Federal bankruptcy judge yesterday approved a prepackaged bankruptcy plan for Donald J. Trump's Plaza Hotel, giving a 49 percent stake in the luxury hotel to Citibank and five other lenders. Under the plan, Mr. Trump will still be employed as chief executive but he will not be paid and will not have a role in day-to-day operations, said Matthew Feldman, a lawyer representing the Trump Organization''.

Bankruptcy 3: Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts, 2004

It is interesting to note, that he took personal hits and managed to keep the businesses running.  The Bankruptcy dealt with creditors and in the long run many jobs were saved.

Bankruptcy 4: Trump Entertainment Resorts, 2009

In 2009 there was a huge recession nationwide. Bankruptcies, business failures, foreclosures were on the raise all over the place.  He eventually resigned and gave up all but a 10% share in the business.

Adam Levitin (Law Professor) had this to say

QuoteIt's not fair to put all the blame on Trump for the four bankruptcies because he's acting as any investor would. Investors often own many non-integrated companies, which they fund by taking on debt, and some of them inevitably file for bankruptcy, said Adam Levitin, a law professor at Georgetown University.

"The only difference is that Trump puts his name on his companies, which means people associate them with him, but he's not at all the leader in the bankruptcy space,

Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Scott on January 19, 2016, 09:43:40 AM
 Bottom Line, I don't trust any of them.  The USA loses no matter who is elected.


Don't believe what you read on FB or talk shows. Do some fact checking before deciding.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Heather on January 22, 2016, 04:08:03 PM
Anyone Palin supports make me want to run. I disliked Trump to begin with. He has somehow made a bigger mockery of politics than it already was.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Scott on January 22, 2016, 06:03:26 PM
I don't have a problem with Palin. I think she was mishandled from the get Go. She had lots of potential, but they rushed her too fast. 
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: SippinTea on January 23, 2016, 03:39:37 AM
I liked Palin initially, but no more. And she sunk WAY down in my opinion just because she endorsed Trump. :lol:

:beret:
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Scott on January 23, 2016, 05:00:52 AM
With this crop - there is no good choice, only bad ones.  #AmericaWillLoseNoMatterWhoIsElected
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Lynx on January 23, 2016, 01:05:14 PM
Yup. I've had that feeling for some time now, that this go-round we'll just have to hold our nose and vote.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Scott on January 23, 2016, 11:15:00 PM
We really cannot use Abortion as the litmus test anymore. No matter who is in office, it ain't changing. Bush was anti Abortion and 8 years he could not get it changed.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Nelle on January 25, 2016, 06:47:44 PM
Is it possible that he used the bankruptcy to further himself/the business empire? I know we traditionally feel/look on bankruptcy as failure, but many businesses (and the people within them) use them almost as a business strategy.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Nelle on January 25, 2016, 06:51:15 PM
Ted Cruz gives me the absolute... creeps.  Trump is too much of a loose cannon and I feel like he's too fluid depending on where he is and where his end goal is.

I really have no clue about Jeb Bush, but something tells me with that last name - he won't get anywhere.

I wish Carson was cooler, as you put it, haha. He seems safe.

Chris Cristie kinda gives me the creeps as well.. just not as badly as Cruz.


I can't with good conscience vote for Trump. I wish he could've made a more substantial splash long-term in the politics if he weren't so wild and unpredictable. I was really hoping he could really incite the other candidates to step up their game, but I think that started and stopped already.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Scott on January 25, 2016, 09:36:07 PM
Quote from: Nelle on January 25, 2016, 06:47:44 PMIs it possible that he used the bankruptcy to further himself/the business empire? I know we traditionally feel/look on bankruptcy as failure, but many businesses (and the people within them) use them almost as a business strategy.


It was a Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Reorganization, not the same as traditional bankruptcy.  Chapter 11 is a way to save a business during tough times. Resorts and casinos often fail because they are a risky business. 
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Scott on January 25, 2016, 09:42:08 PM
Quote from: Nelle on January 25, 2016, 06:51:15 PMTed Cruz gives me the absolute... creeps. 

Grampa Munster



Quote from: Nelle on January 25, 2016, 06:51:15 PMTrump is too much of a loose cannon and I feel like he's too fluid depending on where he is and where his end goal is.

He says the right things. But he is a showman!


QuoteI really have no clue about Jeb Bush, but something tells me with that last name - he won't get anywhere.

He is clueless.  His last name doesn't bother me.

QuoteI wish Carson was cooler, as you put it, haha. He seems safe.


zzzzzzzzz


QuoteChris Cristie kinda gives me the creeps as well.. just not as badly as Cruz.

He is a Democrat posing as a Republican

QuoteI can't with good conscience vote for Trump. I wish he could've made a more substantial splash long-term in the politics if he weren't so wild and unpredictable. I was really hoping he could really incite the other candidates to step up their game, but I think that started and stopped already.

Your choice will be him or Hillary (or Bernie)
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: SippinTea on January 26, 2016, 04:20:42 AM
I think it's kind of hilarious that the worst thing you can say about Carson is that he's boring. One would think boring would be a nice change from the last few administrations.  :lol:

:beret:
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Scott on January 26, 2016, 07:01:06 AM
Quote from: SippinTea on January 26, 2016, 04:20:42 AMI think it's kind of hilarious that the worst thing you can say about Carson is that he's boring. One would think boring would be a nice change from the last few administrations.  :lol:

:beret:


He does want to create a new public data base with everyone's personal information in it for Gov't use. 

His boring personality will not resonate well with the populace.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Lynx on January 26, 2016, 12:21:52 PM
Wait, what? They already have that database, multiples of them.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Roscoe on January 26, 2016, 12:47:46 PM
Personally, I like Carson. And his wife is an absolute jewel...she was with him when he came to our State Capitol, and made it a point to stop and talk to us police. But I don't think he's got a prayer and he's weak on foreign policy. Right now- I semi- like Rubio, but I also think he's a lost cause. I suspect it'll be Trump that'll be the Republicans nominee. I also suspect that his true liberal side  will be readily apparent after the election, if he wins. It's lose-lose I fear- but having said that, Sanders on the Democrat side honestly scares me . He is the embodiment of the Social Communist that our country fought AGAINST 40 years ago. If he has his way, America will become Orwell's 1984 very quickly.. I listened to some of the Democrat candidates' debate. They seemed to be trying to outdo each other on who could trash the constitution the quickest.
Right now, there's not a democrat on the ticket I would vote for, or even feel comfortable if they win.
 I detest Trump. But I will vote for him if he's the nominee, and hope like the devil that he's actually converted to somewhat common sense, even though I know it's unlikely, just because of the democrats.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Scott on January 26, 2016, 04:48:39 PM
Quote from: Roscoe on January 26, 2016, 12:47:46 PMPersonally, I like Carson. And his wife is an absolute jewel...she was with him when he came to our State Capitol, and made it a point to stop and talk to us police. But I don't think he's got a prayer and he's weak on foreign policy.


Carson is a home boy (Michigan kid) and is very smart and I so want him to be more aggressive. He has some type of Christian Walk. His leadership and Communication skills are sadly lacking.


Friends don't let friends vote Democrat!

Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: sarba on January 26, 2016, 07:27:05 PM
Out of all the candidates  I like Carson.   But like you Scott--I would love for him to be a bit more aggressive!   I can't stand Trump's rude arrogant attitude.   I almost want to block any of my friends who are supporters because he makes my skin crawl!
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Scott on January 26, 2016, 10:37:28 PM
Quote from: sarba on January 26, 2016, 07:27:05 PMOut of all the candidates  I like Carson.   But like you Scott--I would love for him to be a bit more aggressive!   I can't stand Trump's rude arrogant attitude.   I almost want to block any of my friends who are supporters because he makes my skin crawl!


He is a showman - a reality TV Star. It's all bluster.  The only appealing thing about him is that the Left hates him more than the right.   
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Lynx on January 26, 2016, 11:15:03 PM
Quote from: Roscoe on January 26, 2016, 12:47:46 PMPersonally, I like Carson. And his wife is an absolute jewel...she was with him when he came to our State Capitol, and made it a point to stop and talk to us police. But I don't think he's got a prayer and he's weak on foreign policy. Right now- I semi- like Rubio, but I also think he's a lost cause. I suspect it'll be Trump that'll be the Republicans nominee. I also suspect that his true liberal side  will be readily apparent after the election, if he wins. It's lose-lose I fear- but having said that, Sanders on the Democrat side honestly scares me . He is the embodiment of the Social Communist that our country fought AGAINST 40 years ago. If he has his way, America will become Orwell's 1984 very quickly.. I listened to some of the Democrat candidates' debate. They seemed to be trying to outdo each other on who could trash the constitution the quickest.
Right now, there's not a democrat on the ticket I would vote for, or even feel comfortable if they win.
 I detest Trump. But I will vote for him if he's the nominee, and hope like the devil that he's actually converted to somewhat common sense, even though I know it's unlikely, just because of the democrats.
I am reminded of the sudden influx of people switching to Linux. Problem is, they are not running TO Linux, they are running AWAY from Windows and all its security problems. When they switch to Linux they spend a lot of time complaining that it should look like this, should act like that... basically that it should be more like Windows.

What I mean is, we should be careful that we don't vote for someone just because we are voting AGAINST someone else.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: taco_harvell on February 17, 2016, 04:02:32 AM
After reading/watching ''18 things Trump said about women'' Bernie Snyders or HITBillary would get my vote before him. The muslim degrading of women is almost as bad as Trumps. The guy deserves a mental institution cell not the White  house.

UNLESS you really want to be made mad don't look that article up.

Huckabee was my guy, but he waited 4 years to late.

Carson was 2nd but he isn't just boring he appears to be making some strange point instead of actually wanting to win.

Looking into the rest Cruz stands out as a man of his word. Those calling him liar have a bad habit of ignoring the proof he actually told the truth. As of now he seems to be the only true Conservative with a chance to when.

The issue I keep seeing that bothers me though are the polls behind the polls. SC for instance Trump is seen 80% unfavorable among republicans 90% unfavorable among evangelicals yet he leads in the polls with both. Have we really reached a place where we vote for the person we like least? While the person most favorable is last in the polls. It's crazy!
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Scott on February 19, 2016, 09:02:58 AM
Bro, you cannot make wild accusations and judgments.

QuoteThe guy deserves a mental institution cell not the White  house.

He does? On what legal basis? What medical basis? What Psychiatric basis?  Are you a licensed health Care Professional?  Or are you just making an accusation based on your political bias?

As Christians we must be careful - maybe even more careful than anyone else.

You say that he deserves an mental institution cell?  I've worked in them, I've had to fight patients to the floor so we could sedate them and strap them down.  I've seen people injured and out of work because of these people. I was one of them. A mental patient grabbed me from behind and tried to snap my neck. 

Trump is a showman. 99.0% of what comes out of his mouth is scripted and planned out in advance. He is not a politician and that is why people love him. He is the 2016 version of Ross Perot. 


QuoteLooking into the rest Cruz stands out as a man of his word. Those calling him liar have a bad habit of ignoring the proof he actually told the truth. As of now he seems to be the only true Conservative with a chance to when.

From a personal standpoint, I just don't understand the "Cult of Cruz''.  I do not trust this man. Something does not feel real about him. I cannot explain - it is a gut feeling. Each time I see him or hear him - something feels off and I cannot place it.

He is Canadian and only gave up his Canadian Citizenship just to run for President. Now this run will cause the Country and by default the Government to go through a nasty and lengthy series of court cases, trials, and appeals over his eligibility to run.

At this point he is showing his selfishness and quest for power. He should have filed law suit 2 maybe 3 years ago in Federal Court and appealed up the ladder and get a definitive ruling PRIOR to running. Had he done that, people could respect him. 

Glen Beck is practically anointing this man as the Messiah. Feeding his Ego. Beck is now IMHO a laughing stock over
Cruz.
I am neither Republican nor Democrat - I refuse to vote based on party endorsement. I vote based who agrees with what I believe and this election, I do not know who I can vote for.

We need Condi Rice to step into the ring!  Right now - I don't know of anyone else who would be better. But she is not running.

In the Long run, the USA will lose in this election.


Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: taco_harvell on February 19, 2016, 04:18:09 PM
A psychiatrist wrote an article after Iowa stating ''Donald Trump Shows Mental Instabilities''. So, yes, I do have professional backing to say Trump needs mental help. I also had family members one of which lived with us for awhile that had major mental issues, so I know somewhat about mental issues as well.

FACT; The IL court has already ruled BOTH of Ted Cruz's parents were US CITIZENS , therefore he had to do nothing to enter the US and gain citizenship. Therefore he is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. They also stated he is completely eligible to be president. Trumps on arguement would disqualify 3 candidates including himself. Trump is Scottish and Rubio is Cuban under Trumps on rules. Notice Trump and his fans are the only ones to bring this up for a reason.

I look at FACTS and those show Cruz to be the most conservative candidate running.

I don't listen to so called ''conservative'' talking heads like Glen Beck, Personally, I think he needs a check-up to. Turned the radio on after the 2012 election and he was having a public nervous break-down.

Lastly, some Tums may help that feeling in your gut.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: taco_harvell on February 19, 2016, 04:52:49 PM
Excerpt from a second article this one in Vanity Fair;

''But you don't need to have met Donald Trump to feel like you know him; even the smallest exposure can make you feel like you've just crossed a large body of water in a small boat with him. Indeed, though narcissistic personality disorder was removed from the most recent issue of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, for somewhat arcane reasons, the traits that have defined the disorder in the past—grandiosity; an expectation that others will recognize one's superiority; a lack of empathy—are writ large in Mr. Trump's behavior.

"He's very easy to diagnose," said psychotherapist Charlotte Prozan. "In the first debate, he talked over people and was domineering. He'll do anything to demean others, like tell Carly Fiorina he doesn't like her looks. 'You're fired!' would certainly come under lack of empathy. And he wants to deport immigrants, but [two of] his wives have been immigrants." Michaelis took a slightly different twist on Trump's desire to deport immigrants: "This man is known for his golf courses, but, with due respect, who does he think works on these golf courses?"

Mr. Trump's bullying nature—taunting Senator John McCain for being captured in Vietnam, or saying Jeb Bush has "low energy"—is in keeping with the narcissistic profile. "In the field we use clusters of personality disorders," Michaelis said. "Narcissism is in cluster B, which means it has similarities with histrionic personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, and antisocial personality disorder. There are similarities between them. Regardless of how you feel about John McCain, the man served—and suffered. Narcissism is an extreme defense against one's own feelings of worthlessness. To degrade people is really part of a cluster-B personality disorder: it's antisocial and shows a lack of remorse for other people. The way to make it O.K. to attack someone verbally, psychologically, or physically is to lower them. That's what he's doing."''.

Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Scott on February 19, 2016, 08:06:48 PM
Quote from: taco_harvell on February 19, 2016, 04:18:09 PMA psychiatrist wrote an article after Iowa stating ''Donald Trump Shows Mental Instabilities''. So, yes, I do have professional backing to say Trump needs mental help. I also had family members one of which lived with us for awhile that had major mental issues, so I know somewhat about mental issues as well.

Did he examine Mr. Trump?  Did he do a valid, legal mental health screening?  Or did he write based on the media bias, FB post and venom from both the Donkeys and Elephants?  

Are you stating on this forum that you are a mental health professional?   I worked in the industry, I've been trained as a counselor. I am not an PhD or an MD, I cannot state 100% that anyone needs to be committed.


QuoteFACT; The IL court has already ruled BOTH of Ted Cruz's parents were US CITIZENS , therefore he had to do nothing to enter the US and gain citizenship. Therefore he is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. They also stated he is completely eligible to be president. Trumps on arguement would disqualify 3 candidates including himself. Trump is Scottish and Rubio is Cuban under Trumps on rules. Notice Trump and his fans are the only ones to bring this up for a reason.

Fact - he was born in Canada, to am American Citizen and a Cuban.  

Fact - Beck's Messiah Cruz was NOT born in the USA

Fact - Exceptions have been made in the past for children of American Missionaries working in another country, Children of Military personnel and state department personnel

Fact - Both Rubio and Trump were born in the United States

Fact - Cruz did not bother giving up his Canadian Citizenship until he decided to run for President. I read the
documents.

Fact -  I am not a Trump fan, I bring it up because I do not trust "Becks Messiah"

Fact -  There are several cases in court now and there will be more until the Supreme Court issues a ruling.  This should have been done Prior to his run.   But "Becks Messiah" is all about himself and not the USA. If he truly loved his 2nd country, he would have had this resolved and a ruling issues PRIOR to running. The mere fact that he did not do that shows contempt, lack of respect and selfishness. We have that already with Obummer. We don't need more of that.


QuoteI look at FACTS and those show Cruz to be the most conservative candidate running.

A friend of mine was born in Europe to American Parents. He ran for Congress and was told by the Election Board that he could run for Congress but was NOT eligible to run for President.

Cruz is Canadian and could not be bothered to renounce that until he wanted to be President.  That's a fact Jack.


QuoteI don't listen to so called ''conservative'' talking heads like Glen Beck, Personally, I think he needs a check-up to. Turned the radio on after the 2012 election and he was having a public nervous break-down.


I seldom listen to talk radio any more. Bored with Rush, Hannity and Mormon Beck.

QuoteLastly, some Tums may help that feeling in your gut.

Nope, in 30 some years of dealing with Con Artists, Criminals, Frauds and Thieves - the feeling in my gut has been right more than wrong.

But I get it, you've joined the Cult of Cruz - he has convinced Christians that he is the righteous Candidate. 

The sad thing in Modern Christianity : Politics have suddenly become a fundamental doctrine. It is amazing how many Apostolic Christians are making it so.  Many pastors are jeopardizing their IRS Tax Exempt Status to preach the Republican Party line.

I've had Pastors beg me to go to Republican Party meetings. I tell them that I don't do Amway.

I've seen UPCI people posting that if you don't vote for Cruz, you are voting against the Holy Ghost.

I've Seen UPCI People posting that if you vote for anyone but Cruz, you are not a Christian, that you have sin in your life and you are a reprobate hiding things in your walk  with God.

I've seen UPCI People posting and saying that if you don't vote for Cruz you are a backslider and that you side with the Devil.

This is why I refer to it as the Cult of Cruz.


I've heard UPCI preachers in pulpits (in person and listening ONLINE) refer to W. Bush as Bro. Bush and now Cruz as Bro. Cruz.  Last I checked, neither were. Neither accepted Acts 2:38 for their salvation.

The only National Candidate that has is Sarah Palin  (see below)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGOu-X76rR0


Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: taco_harvell on February 19, 2016, 08:52:00 PM
You've always liked the conspiracies. I'll agree to disagree, shake hands and walk away. Going farther does neither of us any good.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Scott on February 19, 2016, 10:16:35 PM
Quote from: taco_harvell on February 19, 2016, 08:52:00 PMYou've always liked the conspiracies. I'll agree to disagree, shake hands and walk away. Going farther does neither of us any good.

What conspiracy? I never suggested a Conspiracy.

This election cycle has been the worst I've seen in years. Too many people making it about religion and using emotional manipulation to get their way. Too many pastors and minsters are using Spiritual manipulation and will cost their churches and organizations to start losing their tax exempt status. 

For the last 12 months I've read more on Social Media from Apostolic Christians about Trump, Bernie, Hillary and ''Becks Messiah'' than I have about Revival and seeing souls saved. Between now and the Election it will only get worse.

Our Salvation is in Jesus Christ, not a political figure seeking a higher office. Not a political figure who puts out millions of dollars to earn $400k Per year with hopes of a multi million dollar book deal 4 years later.

Not one of these men and women truly care about the people of the United States of America. They are pandering to the masses simply to earn our votes. With the Exception of Comrade Obummer, no matter who is elected - they generally move to the political middle ground.   Clinton was Fiscally conservative, W. was fiscally liberal. Clinton and Obummer loved to use the Military to prove they were not afraid, Bush landed a jet on an Air Craft Carrier to show he was macho.  Clinton Jogged, Bush cleared brush on the ranch and Obummer played Hoops. It is all about appearances. Bush tossed out a baseball at a baseball game and hit the strike zone, Obummer could not find home plate.

The last president that really and truly loved this country and put it above political ambition was best pals with a monkey.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: taco_harvell on February 19, 2016, 10:51:56 PM
I'll agree to disagree, shake hands and walk away. Going farther does neither of us any good.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Scott on February 20, 2016, 03:34:12 AM
And yes for the record I am Very cynical. 

30+ years of legal investigations, bail bonds work and Credit Risk Management will do that to you.

Guns shoved in your face, knives pulled on you, street gangs kicking the snot out of you, living with death threats, having the police tap your line for months on end to find out who is trying to kill you,  being held hostage by a murderer, working for a man for years - only to find out he was a low level mobster and being cheated by close friends will also do that to you.

After a while, you just don't believe much of what people say to you - especially politicians and sports stars. (I've had to sue too many of both over the years).

Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Tsalagi on February 26, 2016, 04:21:33 AM
Can't trust a man who has that much money but whose hair (still) looks like a small dead animal.  Like he parts it with a brickbat.  Buy a haircut.  Or a dozen salons, or something.  I know it's a carefully crafted bit of misdirection, but it still annoys me.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Assuredbyfaith on February 26, 2016, 02:10:22 PM
Quote from: Scott on January 25, 2016, 09:36:07 PM
Quote from: Nelle on January 25, 2016, 06:47:44 PMIs it possible that he used the bankruptcy to further himself/the business empire? I know we traditionally feel/look on bankruptcy as failure, but many businesses (and the people within them) use them almost as a business strategy.


It was a Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Reorganization, not the same as traditional bankruptcy.  Chapter 11 is a way to save a business during tough times. Resorts and casinos often fail because they are a risky business.  

Just because it was stated to be chapter 11; doesn't mean he didn't abuse the use of it! Especially when he seems to use this way out quite often.

The man has imperialistic ideas; and no class....

Being a business man is not enough to recommend someone....especially, if your all talk.

Not that I think any of them are a good choice....

Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Assuredbyfaith on February 26, 2016, 02:11:25 PM
I would like to vote for none of the above... However, I have to do my part! The rest is in God's will....humanity will continue on this path till judgement day!
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Scott on February 26, 2016, 07:02:05 PM
 :copcar:  Mod note :copcar:

Resize your avatar, it is hard to read you posts. Just reduce it by 25%


QuoteJust because it was stated to be chapter 11; doesn't mean he didn't abuse the use of it! Especially when he seems to use this way out quite often.



I will just address the bankruptcy part.  I read the cases and here is the simple bottom line that many people don't hear and the pundits don't tell.  He was an investor in these companies and these represented a mere fraction of his entire portfolio.  He often stipulates when investing into a business that his name needs to be in there somewhere or he needs a seat on the board. 

I worked in Credit for years, our law office investigated Chapter 11's, 13's and 7's to make sure they were legal.

A chapter 11 is simply a business reorganization.  In many cases it is forced on the business by the creditors.  They can form a creditors committee and then force a business into an 11 to fix problems.

In the case of his 4 Chapter 11's.  You must understand that his only Bankruptcies are the casino and resort industry.  Businesses that he did not start, he was an investor. An industry noted for its high failure rate.  Yet they want to just his business skills on that? Kinda weird in a way.

We dealt with guys like this all the time, they are gambler investors. They invest lots of money into lots of businesses, sometimes they win, sometimes they lose.  He has 4 major losses over his entire career, yet people want to focus on that.

It reminds me of a time that I went into an office for a company I worked at. In 6 months I took the credit delinquency rate from 27% down to less than 3%.  Below the industry average. I was called in by  home office creep who wanted to focus on 4 small balance accounts that he felt was not handled correctly. Negating my victory and focusing on 4 minor failures.  *sigh*



Yes he is a jerk. Yes he is Rude. But he is a successful business man.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Assuredbyfaith on February 26, 2016, 07:50:37 PM
I understand the point you have about the therefore, and why of his bankruptcies! With the above details; it makes it easier to understand some of his business methods and dealings. However, with that image now added to my mind... A business man/ "Gambler" still doesn't make for a good leader.

Honestly, they are all classless; and randomly promising things they will never be able to follow through on...playing the game!

Unfortunately, we are the sacrificial pieces on the board.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Assuredbyfaith on February 26, 2016, 08:10:53 PM
Quote from: Scott on February 26, 2016, 07:02:05 PM:copcar:  Mod note :copcar:

Resize your avatar, it is hard to read you posts. Just reduce it by 25%


I cut my avatar down in size... Not sure it worked? I'm on my phone; so I don't see any avatar; unless I check the profiles.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: SippinTea on February 26, 2016, 09:52:50 PM
Quote from: Assuredbyfaith on February 26, 2016, 08:10:53 PMI cut my avatar down in size... Not sure it worked? I'm on my phone; so I don't see any avatar; unless I check the profiles.

It's perfect. Whatever you did worked. :)

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Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Scott on February 27, 2016, 05:57:36 AM
Quote from: Assuredbyfaith on February 26, 2016, 07:50:37 PMI understand the point you have about the therefore, and why of his bankruptcies! With the above details; it makes it easier to understand some of his business methods and dealings. However, with that image now added to my mind... A business man/ "Gambler" still doesn't make for a good leader.

Honestly, they are all classless; and randomly promising things they will never be able to follow through on...playing the game!

Unfortunately, we are the sacrificial pieces on the board.


Don't believe what comes out of their mouths. They are all lying.

Every successful businessman is a gambler to some extent.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Niki on February 27, 2016, 12:15:10 PM
Quote from: taco_harvell on January 17, 2016, 06:26:41 PMCan you vote for Donald trump knowing he is pro-choice?

If you can't in the primary, what's different in the general election?

Absolutely not. And not just because he's pro-choice. If he wins, I will vote for a third party candidate.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Scott on February 28, 2016, 06:33:32 AM
The man issue is that there clearly is not a viable choice. Each of the candidates running are negative and lying. PERIOD!

We are beyond litmus tests even. Pro Choice?  You mean Pro Abortion. The problem is that Abortion is the law and wrong. However no one is going to change it for many years if at all.  Abortion issues will be resolved in the Supreme Court, no matter who the president is or what he believes.

Our main issues are Safety and Economy.  None of the idiots can provide either.
Title: Re: The Donald
Post by: Lynx on February 28, 2016, 01:58:37 PM
So... how 'bout that Bernie Sanders, eh?