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Started by taco_harvell, January 17, 2016, 06:26:41 PM

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taco_harvell

Can you vote for Donald trump knowing he is pro-choice?

If you can't in the primary, what's different in the general election?
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Roscoe

I can hold my  nose and vote for him, simply because  the two opposing candidates  are more than  just prochoice, they are intent on "transforming our country"....and we see how well that worked for the Christian community  for the last 7 years. That, and Gun control.  I'm  not voting for anyone that wants to trample my constitutional rights.
 But I really don't want to vote for the blithering idiot.
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Lynx

He might run the country like he runs a business.

That might be a good thing.  :idea:

Not that I like the man, or that I think he's a stellar choice for president, just something to consider.
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taco_harvell

He's a good salesman, not great at business. Anyone who goes bankrupt in several endeavors isn't the best business guy out there. He's great at playing angles and selling himself. I'd call him more of a gambler.
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SippinTea

Pretty certain I won't be voting for Trump no matter what.  :cool:

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Scott

Here is my view on The Election.

1.) NOPE NOPE NOPE to any of the Democrats

As for the other Morons!  (Yes, I said it)

1.) Chris Christie and Jeb Bush

Both are Rhinos. Neither are willing to take a stance and are simply buffoons running on name recognition.  Christie is perhaps the most liberal of the guys running as an Elephant.  His gun and personal rights are in line with the Donkey Party

2.) Carly

Her business record speaks for itself. She says a lot of good things, but she may end up as a Cabinet Secretary.

3.) Carson


As cool as he is, he is boring. Bob Dole was boring, Al Gore was boring and the people said no

4.) Ted Cruz

I do not trust him whatsoever. He is simply a party hack and has been a laughing stock for years.

He does look like Grandpa Munster




There is something about him that makes me nervous.  One pundit said that visually he looks like the wanted poster of for a pedophile.

My biggest concern is his background.

Child of an American Citizen, child of a Cuban Citizen and born in Canada - not on a military base, not at am embassy and not as the child of a missionary.

According to Cuba - since his father was a Cuban Citizen - he might be able to claim Cuban Citizenship.

Since his mother was American, he can also claim American Citizenship

and since he was born in Canada, he was a native born Canadian.

He is 45 year old and only in the last 18 months has he decided to renounce his Canadian Citizenship - just in time to run for president.

This tells me that he is selfish - he was willing to keep that Canadian Citizenship for 43+ years. Free Health Care!
If he was really sold out to the United States of America, he would have renounced earlier.


Exceptions to the Natural born citizen rule was made for George Romney - Born in Mexico to American Citizens on a Religious Mission.

Another to John McCain, born in an American protectorate to American Citizens.

A law suit was started last week against him and his run. He is fighting it tooth an nail. If he ends up as the Candidate, the Dems will pounce on this and run it into the ground. It will become the issue, and in the long run - he will lose. He will simply be a sacrificial goat.

He is weak and most of his support is from Texas and pundits who are anti Trump.

5.) Trump He says the right things, but do we trust him?

I hear about the bankruptcy issues

Business file Bankruptcy all the time.  Trump has been a risk taker and in the business world, Risk Takers often lose as well as win. History is full of business people that failed before making it big (Macy Dept. Store and Ford Motor Company were started by men that failed many times)

It is part of doing business and most business fail within the 1st 5 years. I worked in business bankruptcy.


Bankruptcy 1: The Trump Taj Mahal, 1991

Chapter 11 Bankruptcy - a business reorganization. Not a liquidation. He lost $900 million of his own money trying to build a casino.  Bottom line - investments go bad, casinos are risky business and often fail.

Bankruptcy 2: Trump Plaza Hotel, 1992

He paid $390 Million for the Plaza Hotel and tried to improve it. He failed and again a Chapter 11 was filed.


QuoteThe NY Times said: ''REPRINTS
A Federal bankruptcy judge yesterday approved a prepackaged bankruptcy plan for Donald J. Trump's Plaza Hotel, giving a 49 percent stake in the luxury hotel to Citibank and five other lenders. Under the plan, Mr. Trump will still be employed as chief executive but he will not be paid and will not have a role in day-to-day operations, said Matthew Feldman, a lawyer representing the Trump Organization''.

Bankruptcy 3: Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts, 2004

It is interesting to note, that he took personal hits and managed to keep the businesses running.  The Bankruptcy dealt with creditors and in the long run many jobs were saved.

Bankruptcy 4: Trump Entertainment Resorts, 2009

In 2009 there was a huge recession nationwide. Bankruptcies, business failures, foreclosures were on the raise all over the place.  He eventually resigned and gave up all but a 10% share in the business.

Adam Levitin (Law Professor) had this to say

QuoteIt's not fair to put all the blame on Trump for the four bankruptcies because he's acting as any investor would. Investors often own many non-integrated companies, which they fund by taking on debt, and some of them inevitably file for bankruptcy, said Adam Levitin, a law professor at Georgetown University.

"The only difference is that Trump puts his name on his companies, which means people associate them with him, but he's not at all the leader in the bankruptcy space,

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Scott

 Bottom Line, I don't trust any of them.  The USA loses no matter who is elected.


Don't believe what you read on FB or talk shows. Do some fact checking before deciding.
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Heather

Anyone Palin supports make me want to run. I disliked Trump to begin with. He has somehow made a bigger mockery of politics than it already was.
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Scott

I don't have a problem with Palin. I think she was mishandled from the get Go. She had lots of potential, but they rushed her too fast. 
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SippinTea

I liked Palin initially, but no more. And she sunk WAY down in my opinion just because she endorsed Trump. :lol:

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Scott

With this crop - there is no good choice, only bad ones.  #AmericaWillLoseNoMatterWhoIsElected
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Lynx

Yup. I've had that feeling for some time now, that this go-round we'll just have to hold our nose and vote.
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Scott

We really cannot use Abortion as the litmus test anymore. No matter who is in office, it ain't changing. Bush was anti Abortion and 8 years he could not get it changed.
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Nelle

Is it possible that he used the bankruptcy to further himself/the business empire? I know we traditionally feel/look on bankruptcy as failure, but many businesses (and the people within them) use them almost as a business strategy.

Nelle

Ted Cruz gives me the absolute... creeps.  Trump is too much of a loose cannon and I feel like he's too fluid depending on where he is and where his end goal is.

I really have no clue about Jeb Bush, but something tells me with that last name - he won't get anywhere.

I wish Carson was cooler, as you put it, haha. He seems safe.

Chris Cristie kinda gives me the creeps as well.. just not as badly as Cruz.


I can't with good conscience vote for Trump. I wish he could've made a more substantial splash long-term in the politics if he weren't so wild and unpredictable. I was really hoping he could really incite the other candidates to step up their game, but I think that started and stopped already.

Scott

Quote from: Nelle on January 25, 2016, 06:47:44 PMIs it possible that he used the bankruptcy to further himself/the business empire? I know we traditionally feel/look on bankruptcy as failure, but many businesses (and the people within them) use them almost as a business strategy.


It was a Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Reorganization, not the same as traditional bankruptcy.  Chapter 11 is a way to save a business during tough times. Resorts and casinos often fail because they are a risky business. 
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Scott

Quote from: Nelle on January 25, 2016, 06:51:15 PMTed Cruz gives me the absolute... creeps. 

Grampa Munster



Quote from: Nelle on January 25, 2016, 06:51:15 PMTrump is too much of a loose cannon and I feel like he's too fluid depending on where he is and where his end goal is.

He says the right things. But he is a showman!


QuoteI really have no clue about Jeb Bush, but something tells me with that last name - he won't get anywhere.

He is clueless.  His last name doesn't bother me.

QuoteI wish Carson was cooler, as you put it, haha. He seems safe.


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QuoteChris Cristie kinda gives me the creeps as well.. just not as badly as Cruz.

He is a Democrat posing as a Republican

QuoteI can't with good conscience vote for Trump. I wish he could've made a more substantial splash long-term in the politics if he weren't so wild and unpredictable. I was really hoping he could really incite the other candidates to step up their game, but I think that started and stopped already.

Your choice will be him or Hillary (or Bernie)
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SippinTea

I think it's kind of hilarious that the worst thing you can say about Carson is that he's boring. One would think boring would be a nice change from the last few administrations.  :lol:

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Scott

Quote from: SippinTea on January 26, 2016, 04:20:42 AMI think it's kind of hilarious that the worst thing you can say about Carson is that he's boring. One would think boring would be a nice change from the last few administrations.  :lol:

:beret:


He does want to create a new public data base with everyone's personal information in it for Gov't use. 

His boring personality will not resonate well with the populace.
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Lynx

Wait, what? They already have that database, multiples of them.
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Roscoe

Personally, I like Carson. And his wife is an absolute jewel...she was with him when he came to our State Capitol, and made it a point to stop and talk to us police. But I don't think he's got a prayer and he's weak on foreign policy. Right now- I semi- like Rubio, but I also think he's a lost cause. I suspect it'll be Trump that'll be the Republicans nominee. I also suspect that his true liberal side  will be readily apparent after the election, if he wins. It's lose-lose I fear- but having said that, Sanders on the Democrat side honestly scares me . He is the embodiment of the Social Communist that our country fought AGAINST 40 years ago. If he has his way, America will become Orwell's 1984 very quickly.. I listened to some of the Democrat candidates' debate. They seemed to be trying to outdo each other on who could trash the constitution the quickest.
Right now, there's not a democrat on the ticket I would vote for, or even feel comfortable if they win.
 I detest Trump. But I will vote for him if he's the nominee, and hope like the devil that he's actually converted to somewhat common sense, even though I know it's unlikely, just because of the democrats.
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Scott

Quote from: Roscoe on January 26, 2016, 12:47:46 PMPersonally, I like Carson. And his wife is an absolute jewel...she was with him when he came to our State Capitol, and made it a point to stop and talk to us police. But I don't think he's got a prayer and he's weak on foreign policy.


Carson is a home boy (Michigan kid) and is very smart and I so want him to be more aggressive. He has some type of Christian Walk. His leadership and Communication skills are sadly lacking.


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sarba

Out of all the candidates  I like Carson.   But like you Scott--I would love for him to be a bit more aggressive!   I can't stand Trump's rude arrogant attitude.   I almost want to block any of my friends who are supporters because he makes my skin crawl!

Scott

Quote from: sarba on January 26, 2016, 07:27:05 PMOut of all the candidates  I like Carson.   But like you Scott--I would love for him to be a bit more aggressive!   I can't stand Trump's rude arrogant attitude.   I almost want to block any of my friends who are supporters because he makes my skin crawl!


He is a showman - a reality TV Star. It's all bluster.  The only appealing thing about him is that the Left hates him more than the right.   
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Lynx

Quote from: Roscoe on January 26, 2016, 12:47:46 PMPersonally, I like Carson. And his wife is an absolute jewel...she was with him when he came to our State Capitol, and made it a point to stop and talk to us police. But I don't think he's got a prayer and he's weak on foreign policy. Right now- I semi- like Rubio, but I also think he's a lost cause. I suspect it'll be Trump that'll be the Republicans nominee. I also suspect that his true liberal side  will be readily apparent after the election, if he wins. It's lose-lose I fear- but having said that, Sanders on the Democrat side honestly scares me . He is the embodiment of the Social Communist that our country fought AGAINST 40 years ago. If he has his way, America will become Orwell's 1984 very quickly.. I listened to some of the Democrat candidates' debate. They seemed to be trying to outdo each other on who could trash the constitution the quickest.
Right now, there's not a democrat on the ticket I would vote for, or even feel comfortable if they win.
 I detest Trump. But I will vote for him if he's the nominee, and hope like the devil that he's actually converted to somewhat common sense, even though I know it's unlikely, just because of the democrats.
I am reminded of the sudden influx of people switching to Linux. Problem is, they are not running TO Linux, they are running AWAY from Windows and all its security problems. When they switch to Linux they spend a lot of time complaining that it should look like this, should act like that... basically that it should be more like Windows.

What I mean is, we should be careful that we don't vote for someone just because we are voting AGAINST someone else.
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