Obama: Is it right to critizice and critique his every move?

[adx]

I have been doing some thinking today and was just wanting peoples input on this.  Everytime i listen to christain radio or even go to church everyone is saying how bad obama is and everything.  While i do agree that some of the stuff he is doing is far from the way a christain should act does that give us a right to act non-christain about him as well?

Also do politics have a right to be mixed with moral's?  I am not sure if I think they should be mixed or not?  Again i am being indistinct on purpose as i don't want my opinions to influence the vein of this discussion.

Hope this starts an interesting topic.

[Chseeads]

Every president or leader is picked to pieces with every move scrutinized by media on one side or another....

Morals should overrule politics.  Sadly, politics rule too much of the time.

[Sis]

While i do agree that some of the stuff he is doing is far from the way a christain should act...

He's not there to be a Christian. He's there to be the head representative of "the people" It's too bad that he's a socialist and will push a few things across that may ruin this country.

To quote from another thread, "hate speech legislation" being one of them.

[adx]

Yes but you did not anwser my main question which is is it right as christains to be standing behind the pulpit // teaching the flock and bashing the man in the process.. I mean in private discussion anything goes but is it a christain attidude to do it behind the stand so to say?

[CDAGeek]

There's a difference between the man and the actions.

Everyone, christian or not, democrat or republican, black or white, straight or gay should honor the office of the president. We should be praying for Obama as the leader of the nation and wish him the best. If nothing else, we should respect the position.

Now, policies and individual decisions are a different story. People should be, and are free to disagree with those as they wish. I'm personally not a fan of politics coming over the pulpit, but sometimes issues do touch on it, such as the hate crime legislation. The pulpit is not a platform for political agendas however.

[Chérie]

i voted for obama and here lately even i am questioning some of his tatics.... 1.5 billion for a virus that responds to the flu treatment? outrageous.

[Gingerale]

I think we should respect THE position. we are urged to pray for thos who have rule. I TOTALLY disagree with politics over the pulpit. And, while I think there is nothing wrong with having and stating opinion, we must be careful of our Christian expectations. I agree, with those stating that morals SHOULD come before rule. and state. and officiality.  I dislike Obama, and I feel he is only the beginning of this nation's decline of morality, but there -is- hope.

[bishopnl]

I think ministers are obligated to take a moral stand.  As Seth said, morals should come before politics.  Since the federal government is intent on politicizing morality, sometimes the two cross lines.  For example, ministers have a moral obligation to preach against abortion, homosexuality, and other issues of that nature.  The federal government should have no jurisdiction in these matters, but since they have chosen to, it's inevitable that politics and morality are sometimes going to meet. 

As for respecting the office, I respect the office of the presidency.  But I have little respect for the character of a man like Barack Obama.  I'll leave it at that.

[Gingerale]

well said.

[adx]

The federal government should have no jurisdiction in these matters, but since they have chosen to, it's inevitable that politics and morality are sometimes going to meet. [/quote]

lol i don't know how to do that properly yet..

But in response to that.. so much for the seperation of church and state.  I wonder how the goverment even got involved into that area of it anyways.  Something to research i guess.

I just don't like that everytime i turn on a christain radio station they are saying obama this and obama that.  He is still a human being that needs a savior just like us and for people to constantly put him down i just don't see that as being a christain response to the situation.  I think prayer and love would be a more appropiate response?

[mesipie]

u have to use the

then what u say...then [ /quote] without the space!

[mesipie]

apparently i did it wrong too

[ quote] [ /quote] no spaces

[Sis]

You can read and reread the Constitution and you will find NOTHING about separation of church and state. But what you WILL find is the government has no right preventing citizens from practicing their religion.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religioun, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for redress of grievances."

Which is exactly what they have done with their "laws" about religious symbols in public, especially during Christmas, and prohibiting the freedom of speech they're trying to do with their hate speech legislation.

The constitution is only as strong as the people willing to uphold it, and there aren't many in government positions willing to uphold it anymore. They're trying to change the meanings of it.

[BenJammin]

Actually...

Congress hasn't made any

...law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for redress of grievances."[/i]

That has been the sole property of local ordinance and the Supreme Court.  Which is exactly the type of pandering to special interest and judicial activism that the counrty absolutely doesn't need.

Were the prohibitions against religious displays to be challenged in the true spirit of the Constitution, they would not stand.  Every law that prohibits such is unconstitutional, regardless where it is or who passed it.

BenJammin

[Sis]

Ok Benjamin caught me in a technicality!  I was purposely vague when I used the word Government and "they", but I tripped over it when I posted the First Amendment. LOL 


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Good game More later! 

[BenJammin]

I won?  I really won???



Yay Me!!!

[sunlight]

If i try to breathe at the rate of the guy in your avatar BenJammin... I hyperventilate.

[mesipie]

wow...me too!

[Gingerale]

back on topic folks! this is an interesting thread. I wanna see EVERYONE's views on this.

[Melody]

I agree with what is has been said thus far by most. 

There is a problem with just praying adx.  Prayer is extremely effective but real prayer moves us also into action.  If we stop speaking out against what's wrong, the world will stop hearing that it's wrong and it will seem more right then ever.  The Bible tells us that what's wrong will become right and what's right will become wrong.  We see that happening more and more.

There is a balance, always a balance.  But you are right that we should not just bash Obama in private or in public.   On one hand it seems that the future of the USA is more insecure than ever and it's causing people to speak up.  On the other, it doesn't seem like enough people are speaking up/out.  The area and social circle you're in I think forms how you see the response unless you are trying to be well rounded.  I don't hear very much talk of politics amongst the folks in my church, there's a lot more focus on winning the lost.

And as someone said earlier, when politics invade morals, and morals are what are preached from the pulpit, you cannot avoid overlapping.  My pastor doesn't bash the president but he has addressed what the "US" is doing.  Eventhough we are Christians, we are still human and sometimes righteous indignation can get carnality mixed in there and we don't say things the best way.  We need mercy and grace still just as much as the next guy.

I will say that Obama is doing things that are down right evil.  Having the US to support abortion clinics around the world bothers me to no end.  I homeschool my son and we pray for Obama every morning, for him to have Godly understanding and to be convicted for what's right, and to change the direction he's going, and to cause the US to support Israel.  That God would give him dreams and send ministers to share Truth, that the mercy of Jesus would saturate him and he would be saved.

[bishopnl]

I will say that Obama is doing things that are down right evil.  Having the US to support abortion clinics around the world bothers me to no end.  I homeschool my son and we pray for Obama every morning, for him to have Godly understanding and to be convicted for what's right, and to change the direction he's going, and to cause the US to support Israel.  That God would give him dreams and send ministers to share Truth, that the mercy of Jesus would saturate him and he would be saved.

Kudos for homeschooling your son.  He's probably going to be much better educated that way. 

And for Obama doing things that are evil, agreed.  I think we ought to pray for Obama, but also to pray against the things that he's doing (the things that are evil).  Just because he's the President doesn't mean he automatically gets my support. 

It's so hilariously ironic to me that people flipped out when Rush Limbaugh stated he hoped Obama would fail.  Wasn't that what every liberal in America was hoping for the Bush presidency?  The Senate majority leader publicly declared the war in Iraq lost, and a lot of activists took to the streets denouncing Bush as a war criminal and terrorist.   Now that Obama is in office, everyone who opposes him is "against the country."  Of course, liberal hypocrisy is never surprising...these are the same people who support millions of abortions but decry simulated drowning on confirmed terrorists.

[mesipie]

when did u start homeschooling him?

[Melody]

when did u start homeschooling him?

this last quarter of the year.  It was pert near unavoidable.  It has been a long hard year...lol

[Sis]

My mom used to say pert near all the time. LOL

What's the story? Why did you decide to home school him?

[Gingerale]

MY, i commend your wisdom. I pray daily for the wisdom God has given you.  And your kiddo is blessed to have a mother who not only homeschools, but who is great in wisdom. : ]