Is Barack Obama Turning Apostolic?

[yosemite]

.

[Tsalagi]

IMO, the banning of facial hair is part of the 'traditions of men'.

God created a man to have a beard.  This does not appreciatively differ from the 'bit missing' after circumcision - God also created men whole in that regard - and both have to do with maleness, yet one of them differs significantly in that removing it symbolized a man's separation unto God (or 'holiness' if you will) from the lust of the flesh.

The other one is a sign to the public that a person is indeed male.  One does not have to do anything to grow one other than be male.  Men are not born with the ability to grow jewelry, or to manifest women's clothing, nor any of the other things forbidden by scripture.  Nor are they born with a razor in hand.

One of them exists above the collar line, too - so unless one is suggesting that men should wear a 'beard veil' to keep people from being offended...

Second, the practice of scraping one's face bare did not originate with the Hebrews.  In the Middle Eastern region, it was popularized by the Romans, who borrowed it from the Greek culture they so admired.

The Greeks were notorious for sexual perversions, it was a stereotype of the day, pointed out by the Roman satiricist Juvenal. 

Therefore I postulate that growing a beard is more in keeping with God's plan for males than scraping the face bare to appear younger.

I am offended when people get offended by beards.

           
     

[yosemite]

.

[Sis]

We are wandering into standards issues which is a    We tried politely to guide the conversation back to the issue, which is Did Obama turn Apostolic?

[yosemite]

.

[newkris]

IMO, the banning of facial hair is part of the 'traditions of men'.

God created a man to have a beard.  This does not appreciatively differ from the 'bit missing' after circumcision - God also created men whole in that regard - and both have to do with maleness, yet one of them differs significantly in that removing it symbolized a man's separation unto God (or 'holiness' if you will) from the lust of the flesh.

The other one is a sign to the public that a person is indeed male.  One does not have to do anything to grow one other than be male.  Men are not born with the ability to grow jewelry, or to manifest women's clothing, nor any of the other things forbidden by scripture.  Nor are they born with a razor in hand.

One of them exists above the collar line, too - so unless one is suggesting that men should wear a 'beard veil' to keep people from being offended...

Second, the practice of scraping one's face bare did not originate with the Hebrews.  In the Middle Eastern region, it was popularized by the Romans, who borrowed it from the Greek culture they so admired.

The Greeks were notorious for sexual perversions, it was a stereotype of the day, pointed out by the Roman satiricist Juvenal. 

Therefore I postulate that growing a beard is more in keeping with God's plan for males than scraping the face bare to appear younger.

I am offended when people get offended by beards.

           
     

you know?  sometimes . . . i just love you.  *smile*  you rock.

[OGIA]

If everyone had dnr's attitude, they wouldn't have to justify offending their brother. 

Thumbs up again, dnr!!   

[OGIA]

God created a man to have a beard.  This does not appreciatively differ from the 'bit missing' after circumcision - God also created men whole in that regard - and both have to do with maleness, yet one of them differs significantly in that removing it symbolized a man's separation unto God (or 'holiness' if you will) from the lust of the flesh.

The other one is a sign to the public that a person is indeed male.  One does not have to do anything to grow one other than be male.       

Interesting, Tsalagi.  But, I have to ask: since circumcision was something that symbolized "man's separation unto God (or 'holiness' if you will) from the lust of the flesh", why would a beard not also be something that used to  be used to identify a person as a man?

[dnr1128]

If everyone had dnr's attitude, they wouldn't have to justify offending their brother. 

Thumbs up again, dnr!!   

I truly am shocked!  I think this must be the first time in Godplace, Pkministries.com, UPCI.com, or any of the various other evolutionary states of Godplace that somebody has said that.  lol  Usually I'm getting criticized for stirring the pot, which is what I thoroughly enjoy. 

Is Obama turning Apostolic?  No, he is not. 

[Newsman]

No more discussion of beards and facial hair standards in this thread.


John

[bishopnl]

The title of the thread, and indeed the term "Apostolic" was being used very loosely. 

I pointed out that Bishop Brazier holds some "non-traditional" Apostolic views, like eternal security.  But they do hold a Oneness viewpoint, and baptism in Jesus name (even if, as I pointed out, he is accepting of those who don't).  They are associated with the Apostolic movement, whether they measure up to our standards of Apostolic or not.

Am I suggesting that membership at ACOG makes Obama "one of us?"  No.  I'm merely pointing out that of the politicians and presidents who have had exposure to Apostolics, albeit "true" Apostolics (by whichever measuring stick) or pseudo Apostolics, isn't it funny that it's people like Barack Obama and Bill Clinton?

[titushome]

If I were a betting man, I'd be putting money on Obama.  He's more than likely to be the next president.  Essentially this is a do-over of the 1996 election between Dole and Clinton;  a young, charasmatic dem versus an older, politically established war hero.  With his mantra of "change", whatever that means, Obama appeals to the current sentiment of frustration with politics in general.  Most people just don't have the critical thinking ability to ask "what kind of change are we talking about". 

I think so too.




Newsman: No more discussion of beards and facial hair standards in this thread.

I didn't think one little off-hand, off-topic comment would get everyone going....

[bishopnl]

Newsman: No more discussion of beards and facial hair standards in this thread.

I didn't think one little off-hand, off-topic comment would get everyone going....

Clearly you are unfamiliar with some posters then.

As for the definition of the term Apostolic...I doubt I'd measure up, at least in certain circles.    So there.

[titushome]

As for the definition of the term Apostolic...I doubt I'd measure up, at least in certain circles.    So there.

[Scott]

No more discussion of beards and facial hair standards in this thread.


John

Moderator John gave instructions for this thread. 

If those instructions are not followed, the thread will be removed and the offenders dealt with by staff.

[Tea]

  No, that man is NOT turning apostolic..  that's a kneeslapper.